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CROSSBOWS OR COMPOUNDS- WHY NOT BOTH?

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Travis county

With the signing of HB 968 by Gov. Perry, Texas passed a new law allowing crossbows to be used during archery season in 254 Texas counties.  Grayson County is the exception, only conventional archery equipment (longbows, recurves and compounds) will be allowed here. Previously hunters could only hunt with longbows, recurves or compound bows during their special season, which opens before the general firearms whitetail season, crossbows were legal but only during the firearms season.

I’m amazed at the controversy that’s occurred over the passing of this new law. Being a long time bowhunter and on the pro staff of the largest bow manufacturer in the county, I have a pretty good feel for the pulse of the bowhunter. Until this autumn, we had the woods all to ourselves for a month BEFORE we were joined by rifle hunters. This tradition in Texas is shared by hunters from all the other states with the exception of Pennsylvania and Michigan, where crossbows are legal during archery season.

There is a couple of ways to look at this new law. Traditional bowhunters that oppose the use of crossbows during ‘their’ special archery season often state that the crossbow is much too powerful and accurate to be allowed during the special season. Some state they shoot like a rifle and should be allowed only during rifle season. Other hunters that understand the crossbow’s advantages and inherent limitations have a different take. They feel that other than opening the woods up to more hunters, many of them will probably be first year novice bowhunters, the crossbow shooters will have little or no ‘edge’ simply because they are shooting a weapon that remains cocked, ready to shoot all the time and doesn’t need to be ‘loaded’ or pulled by the hunter before the shot.

 About three years ago, an outdoor manufactured that was beginning a new line of crossbows approached me to help them develop what was to become the best crossbow on the market. Due to a contractual agreement with the bow manufacturer I represent, I had to decline the offer, but I did get one of my best friends, a well known outdoors writer and one of the best hunters I know, to begin shooting and testing the new line of crossbows. My buddy soon learned that the use of the crossbow was no ‘magic bullet, or arrow”. I hunted with him a great deal and learned that with the exception of the fact that the crossbow remains ‘cocked’, there was little difference in its effectiveness on  harvesting game. Granted, a properly sighted in crossbow is extremely accurate out to about 40 yards, past that the trajectory of the heavy ‘bolt’ falls quickly. To my way of thinking, 40 yards should be the limit for harvesting game with any archery tackle, any farther than that and the chance of wounding increases with each added yard. Shooting accurately out to fifty and sixty yards can be learned by any compound bow shooter, I can consistently keep arrows in a six inch circle at fifty yards but I would never consider shooting game at that range. There are just too many variables involved that  have the potential for a bad shot.

  One reason for the accuracy is the heavy stock of the crossbow (similar to a rifle stock), gives stability to the shot. When shooting a compound, the archer has to learn to steady the bow before squeezing the release for the shot. When comparing the use of crossbows and compounds in a real hunting situation, both have their limitations. The crossbow is extremely loud when fired, giving the deer the opportunity to ‘jump the string’. Obviously, the motion required to draw a compound has the potential to spook game (This I’ve learned from many past experiences!)

In Texas, where 97% of the hunting land is privately owned, I think the use of the crossbow will make little impact. Lease hunters will either decide for or against the use of crossbows on their leases, likewise with property owners that hunt their own lands. On the State WMA’s and national forests, we’ll probably see more hunters in the woods this fall, many of them packing crossbows but, once hunters become exposed to the fact that a skilled compound shooter has an equal, or possibly better chance at arrowing his buck than a crossbow hunters, this controversy should dissipate. I’m betting that in a couple years, the use of crossbows vs. compounds will become a moot point. Besides, in an era when so many anti hunting groups are actively attempting to put an  end to all hunting, it’s my contention that we had better all get along and present a good image to the general public. Our hunting privileges depend upon it!

OUTDOOR TIP OF THE WEEK- The opener of dove season is only a couple months away. Now is a great time to break out the shotgun and shoot a few clay targets at your nearest skeet, trap or sporting clays range. Or, spend about $5 for a hand thrower and $7 for a case of clay targets and plan a little impromptu shoot at the deer lease or any place where it’s safe and legal to shoot. Give some thought to purchasing a spinning-wing dove decoy during the summer months. You might catch them on sale! I’ve found a great  battery powered ‘action’ dove decoy for about one-fourth the cost of most models at www.edgebyexpedite.com , click on the dove photo to see the decoy.

by Luke Clayton
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RE: CROSSBOWS OR COMPOUNDS- WHY NOT BOTH?

joshhern
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I've no issue with folks using crossbows in bow season.  However, I do think that the crossbow is a very powerful tool for poachers.  As it will become more popular I suspect that poaching will increase a little, as most poachers are casual opportunists.  So if someone happened to have a silent, powerful crossbow--they could be more apt to poach.  I've seen two nice bucks which were poached by two different people on two different properties last year from folks who I thought way more of. 

Out Enjoying That Great Texas Countryside

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Guide Girl
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HAPPY

You have experience, I can tell.

For the comment on poaching, any weapon can be used for poaching, including a vertical bow or a .22. It's about hunters ethics. Ethics are not determined by weapon of choice as you know, it's by the choice of the person. No one group is any better or worse than any other group. There are some bad individuals in all the groups. As a guide, to be honest, the worst ethics based shooters were vertical shooters actually not gun hunters or crossbow shooters. The ones that refused to practice and would wound game and other game, want to sneak out the back gate so as not having to pay the harvest fee. I got the frickin gypsies before I realized who and what they were.

 So, why would you "think" a crossbow is a good poaching tool? It sure as hell doesn't fit out the truck window, and it's louder than a vertical bow when shot. I'm curious.

A Family that Hunts together, stays together. (unless they leave me home!)

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joshhern
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Good question, based soley on the handful of folks who I know scattered across several counties who have purchased them for that very purpose.  Now if I had to guess why, it's that they like the silence of the crossbow compared to a rifle.  Could also be that these unscrupulous few like the idea of not necessarily learning how to shoot a bow effectively and rely on the scope instead.  Seems to me that if one isn't too comitted to learning how to shoot, there's 3rd party vendors who will site in your gun/crossbow for a fee.  None of the folks were shooting out of a truck, but rather trespassing, or hunting on their own property.  Seems as if I may have hit a nerve as your tone suggests that I'm full of it, which may very well be the case.  Poachers will take any opportunity they can, and yes it's not limited to crossbows.  I don't get out too much, but of the folks I know personally who own crossbows, 100% of them bought them with the intent to poach quietly. 

Out Enjoying That Great Texas Countryside

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mapplegate
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I think its great, and I also love that freakin mirror blind! I bowhunt only and it opens up a world of managment opportunities for guys that hunt vast corp lands with very few trees worthy of a treestand. These deer have to be managed but its hard if you cant shoot beyond 50 yrds. As long as we have hunting opportunities we should take care of each other and relish every privelage that the TPWD offers us. I know myself I had an easy shot while walking to my stand if I was toting a crossbow, but on the ground I couldnt close the distance on a 160" buck! I'm happy even though I will continue to use my deadzone it's great for crosssbow guys. Congrats and enjoy the woods my brothers.

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JvT
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I am with ya.

I will be hunting with both. One or the other at different times. As well as rifle for hogs in October as I have done before. I noticed you mentioined corps lands. Realize most corps lands still will not allow crossbows. Only those that allowed crossbows last year for hogs will allow crossbows this year and most of those corps areas that did, do not have deer hunting. Also most of the North East Texas WMAs also are not allowing crossbows. Just like some private land managers, some public land managers have chosen not to allow them. My lease will.

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STXBowhunter

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I’ve bit my lip enough on this issue. I know this will make a few of you mad out there but I am sorry the law should have stayed as it was. All this did is allow more out of state hunters into the pool of public hunts for the great state of Texas. There are too many surrounding states that allow crossbows and now that the state changed the laws this opened the flood gates. All it did was lower the odds of Texas residents being drawn on Texas public archery hunts. IN MY OPINION HUNTING WITH A CROSS BOW IS LIKE PLAYING SOCCER THEY HAD TO MAKE A SPORT FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN’T PLAY REAL SPORTS. HUNT WITH A REAL BOW! Freedom of speech baby!

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