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Forums >> Texas Fishing >> Texas Coast Fishing >> Recreational Fishing Alliance is asking for you to get involved about Red Snapper

Recreational Fishing Alliance is asking for you to get involved about Red Snapper

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Travis county

The Recreational Fishing Alliance (RFA) posted a "Call to Action" against the National Marine Fisheries (NMFS) about restrictions that are having a devastating impact on coastal fishing and coastal economies.

CLICK HERE to read a copy of the letter sent to various Senators and the Governor.

There is a growing disagreement between CCA, other environmental groups and RFA on how best to handle this situation.

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RE: Recreational Fishing Alliance is asking for you to get involved about Red Snapper

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Bob,

 

I heard there was a move by CCA and Enviros for a Recreational IFQ. Did this happen? A good source told me that he was there and heard the move.

 

Jim

RE: Recreational Fishing Alliance is asking for you to get involved about Red Snapper

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From: bobzales [mailto:bobzales@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:10 AM
To: Jim Smarr
Subject: Re: calls

 

cca thru dr nelson offered up a paper that would do something similar to an ifq.  It would take the red snap tac and divide up into pounds and then have say, 1 pound quotas that would be offered up for auction to anyone.  This would be the whole tac, com and rec.  Then whoever bought the quota could sell, lease, give, barter, use, whatever.  The quota would use tags so that you have 1 tag per lb or whatever to accommodate the fish and when a red snap was caught a tag would have to be placed on the fish and left until eaten or thrown away.  If you get stopped the fish must be tagged or you are in violation.  You could eat, sell, give away, throw away, what ever.  So far the coms have not caught on because they support this.  It will be interesting where it goes.

I know of no wacko group who is supporting this, as they did not have anything to do with creating this proposal.  Think about it as it may have some potential for better access to fish by recs.

Bob

RE: Recreational Fishing Alliance is asking for you to get involved about Red Snapper

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From: Jim Smarr [mailto:jimsmarr@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:30 AM
To: 'bobzales'
Subject: RE: calls

 

Scott Tyson would buy the entire quota in a heartbeat with Tyson Foods. We would get totally locked out. I know he is very interested in the protein to sell. Sysco is also watching this move salvating.

 

Jim Smarr

RE: Recreational Fishing Alliance is asking for you to get involved about Red Snapper

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From: Charlotte Schiaffo [mailto:Charlotte.Schiaffo@gulfcouncil.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:53 AM
To: jimsmarr@charter.net
Subject: CCA Letter

 

Mr. Smarr:

 

Here is the letter you requested. Please let me know if you need anything else.

 

Charlotte Schiaffo

Gulf Council

813-348-1630

RE: Recreational Fishing Alliance is asking for you to get involved about Red Snapper

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Just read the CCA proposal to auction red snapper tags.   The gist is that snapper tags would be auctioned to the highest bidder, recreational or commercial...no tag and you can't have the fish.   CCA thinks this will eliminate the scuffling over recreational vs. commercial quotas and would be the ultimate "fair" way to allocate red snapper.   
 
WOW!!    This idea really has a lot of MERIT!!    This even one-ups IFQ's!
 
In fact, it has such merit that it clearly should be extended to all sorts of fish and game species in the name of ultimate "fairness".  
 
For example, we could auction wild turkey tags, redfish tags, deer tags, marlin tags, cobia tags, quail tags, dove tags, bass tags, speckled trout tags....do this with ALL fish and game, period.    By George, that's a way to generate some real money.
 
I know, I know...some of you might quibble that bass and deer and quail and such aren't migratory, so they shouldn't be treated this way.     But, hey, snapper aren't migratory
either and Texas has to share snapper off it's coast with Florida commercial snapper fishermen.    So, pish posh, you're just nit picking and you're too dumb to see the important BIG picture.
 
The narrow-minded and pitifully slow among you might argue that if we installed such a system fat cat commercial fishermen would gobble up all the tags and rape the resource.    Or you might argue that wealthy sportsmen and corporations would snap up all the tags so they can entertain clients...sorta like they're doing with high fence ranches and purchasing all the land around prime trout streams in Western states.  Again, you're being small-minded and aren't smart enough to see the BIG picture.   
 
You're just stupid and not thinking outside the box if you're concerned that the average Texan no longer has a charter fleet so he and his family can go offshore fishing once or twice a year.    Hell he's a refinery or chemical plant worker, a mechanic or some other nobody, so why should he be able to afford a prime revenue-generating resource like snapper (or deer or quail or marlin or cobia, etc.).     And who cares if jerk-water little Texas communities will lose billions from the collapse of the sportfishing/hunting industries...overall the Feds would net much more from big buck commercial and corporate interests buying up these resource tags.   (And, Lord knows, DC is now flat broke and needs the revenue.)
 
I know...some small-town, selfish, illiterate rednecks might argue snapper and other fish/game species are a public resource...sorta like national parks and national forests and BLM property.    So WHAT, we've gradually commercializing those too.   People who think that way are obviously old fashioned and out of touch with reality -- probably closet racists clinging to their guns, fishing rods and bibles and who ought to be on Homeland Security's watch list along with veterans.  Everyone with a brain knows that a smaller and smaller percentage of our urban population cares about outdoor resources anyway, so it's time to stop letting the minority who are outdoorsmen determine how American resources are used...let's SELL those resources to the highest bidder.   
 
The IMPORTANT thing about this really innovative plan from CCA is that it will SIMPLIFY that pesky, complex matter of fisheries and game regulation.    And it will generate big-time MONEY...those commercial and corporate interests can belly up and SPEND...money the Feds will, doubtless, use ever so wisely.
 
By all means I encourage you to write CCA, NMF and TP&W and tell them how GREAT you think the CCA plan is and that it should be adopted forthwith.  
 
(Boy...those CCA guys are really, really smart.    They took the Obama Administration's clever and uncontroversial carbon tax idea (cap and trade) and applied it to outdoor resource management.   Brilliant, absolutely brilliant -- I stand in awe of their intellect!)

RE: Recreational Fishing Alliance is asking for you to get involved about Red Snapper

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From: Jim Smarr [mailto:jimsmarr@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:24 PM
To: dan212@sbcglobal.net; 'hefner appling'; 'wes appling'; 'jack beal'; 'randy davis'; 'charles everts'; 'Robert Gibbs'; 'bobby grumbles'; 'tom hilton'; 'mike meyers'; 'steve morris'; 'alex parker'; 'jason parrish'; 'mark schweitzer'; 'john taggart'; 'chuck tylka'; 'monty weeks'; 'buddy wheeler'
Subject: RE: CCA's Proposal to Auction Red Snapper

 

Now Dan that was funny. Don and Scott Tyson or Sysco would be in a bidding war with Environmental Defense, Ocean Conservancy, Gulf Restoration Network and every other enviro whacko group. We would simply be out of the picture.

 

Jim Smarr

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From: Chuck T. [mailto:chuckt@allchem.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:40 AM
To: dan212@sbcglobal.net; hefner appling; wes appling; jack beal; randy davis; charles everts; Robert Gibbs; bobby grumbles; tom hilton; mike meyers; steve morris; alex parker; jason parrish; mark schweitzer; jim smarr; john taggart; monty weeks; buddy wheeler
Subject: Re: CCA's Proposal to Auction Red Snapper

 

You might chew that tongue right off and permanently deposit it firmly in your cheek, Dan!!

Great response...you nailed it!  The stupidity never ends when certain groups get involved!

Welcome to the beginning of the Great American Aristocracy.

Chuck

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Face it they don't care. They need this issue. What would they do if this problem really was solved. Who is willing to make a sacrifice? NOBODY! So it only seems fair all are to make a sacrifice. As a saltwater stamp holder give me 10 stamps for snapper and I MUST retain each snapper caught or 4-5 stamps if culling is allowed at a 12" minimum. Close offshore shrimping every 3rd year to allow juvenile snapper to reach a size they can escape nets. Rotate the closure in 3 sections along the entire gulf coast so each year a group of snapper are allowed to reach a size to escape nets. Finally cut the commercial harvest by at least 50%. Don't tell me it is not fair. As it stands now my red snapper take has gone from 10 fish/year to less that 1 fish/3 years. That is what has happened to this recreation angler. The math says my take has been reduced about 97%! Shrimping is cut by 33%, commercial by 50+%, and recreational by 50% or more.

GO CLIMB A TREE, TIM

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