no the bill needs more work. its not the taxidermist  that  need the permit. game traders,deer processer and deer farms should

I'm getting tired of seeing this guy's cut and paste posts relating to CWD. Googled his name and this is one of first things to pop up:

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/article/138

Nope.

This is what Ken linked to.  I think it's important to have this info.  As I stated in earlier posts, this is usually "agenda driven", not fact driven.

I rest my case.

Once again Terry, I am incredibly sorry for your loss and in no way do I make light of it.  But this unfortunately speaks for itself.

"Terry Singletary -- A retired machinist and high school dropout, Terry Singletary suffered the tragic loss of his mother to “sporadic” Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) in 1997. Desperate to find an explanation for his mother’s death, he has devoted himself to the sad and fruitless task of connecting her death to her diet. Various reports confirm that Mrs. Singletary’s life was claimed by the most common sub-type of CJD (one that accounts for 70 percent of “sporadic” cases). Sporadic CJD, unlike its newer “variant,” is not linked to meat.

As the self-appointed international coordinator of CJD Watch, an organization he co-founded with social worker Deborah Oney, Singletary is cited in media reports as an apparent expert on tracking mad cow disease. This despite his lack of formal education and the absence for support from any credible academic, medical or scientific authority. His sensationalist allegations about the safety of U.S. beef have found their way into hundreds of newspapers and broadcasts. Singletary moderates a mad-cow discussion forum run by a vegetarian activist group; his contributions account for more than half the traffic on the “BSE-L” mailing list, which is generally read by real scientists. Animal rights activists and other food-scare artists frequently refer to him as “Dr. Terry Singletary,” apparently an honorary degree as he has yet to finish high school.

Like many activists, Singletary ignores overwhelming epidemiological and laboratory evidence that rules out a connection between sporadic CJD and beef. Relying entirely on shallow circumstantial evidence and frequent repetition of claims which have been publicly refuted as false, he also blindly insists upon a mad-cow with Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and Lou Gehrig’s disease. His specific allegations have been clearly refuted by Centers for Disease Countrol and Prevention scientists in the journal Neurology. "

First off Terry, there is no proof about CWD being related to any human deaths that I know of and you are not reading the bill they are proposing, furthermore Texas is a right to make a living state and if you are not in the PROFESSION, not hobby then you are not understanding the bill. Word is this is someone who complained to TPWD about some taxidermist that closed his doors and run off with the money and animals. Well if this is true then In any business there is crooks and that bill is not going to fix that. Most people that get screwed is people that looks for the cheapest price,not that anything is wrong with that it is human nature to try and get the best price you can but if you did some researce on the taxidermist you can find out alot. most of the time you get what you pay for. I donT know why people want to blame someone that does not have anything to do with CWD and can say vote for this bill when they are not even reading the thing. In my mind you are being" Close Minded."If you or anyone wants info on CWD then I will give you Dr. Dan McBrides number which he can answer any and all questions pretaining to CWD. Anyway Terry you must not hunt. If you do and you kill something what do you do with it? Throw it away, donate it to the needy? Well if you do the first you are breaking the law, if you do the second you are infecting all the needy according to you. Why would TPWD suppot donating the meat to the needy if CWD was a problem????????? This bill is Uncontstitutioal and violates the rights of the people. Taxidermist OR NO TAXIDERMIST.

first off hardy, since that old article was posted, i was proven correct on everything that was stated. thanks for posting that. i am proud of it. i am surprised they still have it up.

JOURNAL OF NEUROLOGY

MARCH 26, 2003

RE-Monitoring the occurrence of emerging forms of Creutzfeldt-Jakob

disease in the United States

Email Terry S. Singeltary:

flounder@wt.net

I lost my mother to hvCJD (Heidenhain Variant CJD). I would like to comment on the CDC's attempts to monitor the occurrence of emerging forms of CJD. Asante, Collinge et al [1] have reported that BSE transmission to the 129-methionine genotype can lead to an alternate phenotype that is indistinguishable from type 2 PrPSc, the commonest sporadic CJD. However, CJD and all human TSEs are not reportable nationally. CJD and all human TSEs must be made reportable in every state and internationally. I hope that the CDC does not continue to expect us to still believe that the 85%+ of all CJD cases which are sporadic are all spontaneous, without route/source. We have many TSEs in the USA in both animal and man. CWD in deer/elk is spreading rapidly and CWD does transmit to mink, ferret, cattle, and squirrel monkey by intracerebral inoculation. With the known incubation periods in other TSEs, oral transmission studies of CWD may take much longer. Every victim/family of CJD/TSEs should be asked about route and source of this agent. To prolong this will only spread the agent and needlessly expose others. In light of the findings of Asante and Collinge et al, there should be drastic measures to safeguard the medical and surgical arena from sporadic CJDs and all human TSEs. I only ponder how many sporadic CJDs in the USA are type 2 PrPSc?

http://www.neurology.org/cgi/eletters/60/2/176#535

THE PATHOLOGICAL PROTEIN

Hardcover, 304 pages plus photos and illustrations. ISBN 0-387-95508-9

June 2003

BY Philip Yam

CHAPTER 14 LAYING ODDS

Answering critics like Terry Singeltary, who feels that the U.S. under- counts CJD, Schonberger conceded that the current surveillance system has errors but stated that most of the errors will be confined to the older population.

http://www.thepathologicalprotein.com/

Diagnosis and Reporting of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Singeltary, Sr et al. JAMA.2001; 285: 733-734. Vol. 285 No. 6, February 14, 2001 JAMA

Diagnosis and Reporting of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease

To the Editor: In their Research Letter, Dr Gibbons and colleagues1 reported that the annual US death rate due to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) has been stable since 1985. These estimates, however, are based only on reported cases, and do not include misdiagnosed or preclinical cases. It seems to me that misdiagnosis alone would drastically change these figures. An unknown number of persons with a diagnosis of Alzheimer disease in fact may have CJD, although only a small number of these patients receive the postmortem examination necessary to make this diagnosis. Furthermore, only a few states have made CJD reportable. Human and animal transmissible spongiform encephalopathies should be reportable nationwide and internationally.

Terry S. Singeltary, Sr Bacliff, Tex

1. Gibbons RV, Holman RC, Belay ED, Schonberger LB. Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in the United States: 1979-1998. JAMA. 2000;284:2322-2323. FREE FULL TEXT

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/285/6/733?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=singeltary&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/285/6/733?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=singeltary&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

2 January 2000 British Medical Journal U.S. Scientist should be concerned with a CJD epidemic in the U.S., as well

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/320/7226/8/b#6117

15 November 1999 British Medical Journal vCJD in the USA * BSE in U.S.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/319/7220/1312/b#5406

Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease

http://creutzfeldt-jakob-disease.blogspot.com/

USA PRION UNIT BLOG

http://prionunitusaupdate2008.blogspot.com/

Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:37 PM

"we have found that H-BSE can infect humans."

personal communication with Professor Kong. ...TSS

see full text ;

http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2009/02/atypical-bse-north-america-update.html

last two cases of BSE in the USA, Texas and Alabama, both atypical

h-BSE.

The statistical incidence of CJD cases in the United States has been revised to reflect that there is one case per 9000 in adults age 55 and older. Eighty-five percent of the cases are sporadic, meaning there is no known cause at present.

http://www.cjdfoundation.org/fact.html

secondly, there is more proof today that cwd will transmit to humans, that there is not. these are the facts, or why would they have an 8 state recall on CWD positive meat, and or the warning in the May 2009 issue of the cdc.

you folks better wake up and let your egos' rest.

you can cry and complain about free speech, but when cwd is documented in Texas, your gonna be singing a different tune.

cry and complain about cut and paste, but the thick of it are the facts.

you can ignore them, ban them, or,

you can sit around and kid yourself all you want.

but what you need to do is wake up. be prepared. talk about it. but don't ignore it.

RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS:  FOODS CLASS II

___________________________________




PRODUCT




a) Elk Meat, Elk Tenderloin, Frozen in plastic vacuum packaging. Each package is approximately 2 lbs., and each case is approximately 16 lbs.; Item number 755125, Recall # F-129-9;



b) Elk Meat, Elk Trim, Frozen; Item number 755155, Recall # F-130-9; 



c) Elk Meat, French Rack, Chilled. Item number 755132, Recall # F-131-9;



d) Elk Meat, Nude Denver Leg. Item number 755122, Recall # F-132-9;



e) Elk Meat, New York Strip Steak, Chilled. Item number 755128, Recall # F-133-9;



f) Elk Meat, Flank Steak Frozen. Item number 755131, Recall # F-134-9;


CODE


Elk Meats with production dates of December 29, 30, and 31


RECALLING FIRM/MANUFACTURER


Recalling Firm: Sierra Meats, Reno, NV, by telephone on January 29, 2009 and press release on February 9, 2009.


Manufacturer: Noah's Ark Holding, LLC, Dawson, MN. Firm initiated recall is ongoing.


REASON


Elk products contain meat derived from an elk confirmed to have Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD).


VOLUME OF PRODUCT IN COMMERCE


Unknown


DISTRIBUTION


NV, CA, TX, CO, NY, UT, FL, OK


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http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ENFORCE/2009/ENF01099.html





Monday, February 09, 2009


Exotic Meats USA Announces Urgent Statewide Recall of Elk Tenderloin Because It May Contain Meat Derived From An Elk Confirmed To Have CWD



snip...



Cross-sequence transmission of sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease creates a new prion strain

Date: August 25, 2007 at 12:42 pm PST

our results raise the possibility that CJD cases classified as VV1 may include cases caused by iatrogenic transmission of sCJD-MM1 prions or food-borne infection by type 1 prions from animals, e.g., chronic wasting disease prions in cervid. In fact, two CJD-VV1 patients who hunted deer or consumed venison have been reported (40, 41). The results of the present study emphasize the need for traceback studies and careful re-examination of the biochemical properties of sCJD-VV1 prions.

http://www.jbc.org/

snip...

Clearly, it is premature to draw firm conclusions about CWD passing naturally into humans, cattle and sheep, but the present results suggest that CWD transmissions to humans would be as limited by PrP incompatibility as transmissions of BSE or sheep scrapie to humans. Although there is no evidence that sheep scrapie has affected humans, it is likely that BSE has caused variant CJD in 74 people (definite and probable variant CJD cases to date according to the UK CJD Surveillance Unit). Given the presumably large number of people exposed to BSE infectivity, the susceptibility of humans may still be very low compared with cattle, which would be consistent with the relatively inefficient conversion of human PrP-sen by PrPBSE. Nonetheless, since humans have apparently been infected by BSE, it would seem prudent to take reasonable measures to limit exposure of humans (as well as sheep and cattle) to CWD infectivity as has been recommended for other animal TSEs.

snip...

http://www.emboj.org/current.shtml

snip

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol10no6/03-1082.htm

From: TSS (216-119-163-189.ipset45.wt.net) Subject: CWD aka MAD DEER/ELK TO HUMANS ??? Date: September 30, 2002 at 7:06 am PST

From: "Belay, Ermias" To: Cc: "Race, Richard (NIH)" ; ; "Belay, Ermias" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: RE: TO CDC AND NIH - PUB MED- 3 MORE DEATHS - CWD - YOUNG HUNTERS

Dear Sir/Madam, In the Archives of Neurology you quoted (the abstract of which was attached to your email), we did not say CWD in humans will present like variant CJD.

That assumption would be wrong. I encourage you to read the whole article and call me if you have questions or need more clarification (phone: 404-639-3091). Also, we do not claim that "no-one has ever been infected with prion disease from eating venison." Our conclusion stating that we found no strong evidence of CWD transmission to humans in the article you quoted or in any other forum is limited to the patients we investigated.

Ermias Belay, M.D. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

-----Original Message----- From: Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:15 AM To: [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] Subject: TO CDC AND NIH - PUB MED- 3 MORE DEATHS - CWD - YOUNG HUNTERS

Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:26 PM ......snip........end..............TSS



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full text ;




http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/02/exotic-meats-usa-announces-urgent.html





Wednesday, March 18, 2009
Noah's Ark Holding, LLC, Dawson, MN RECALL Elk products contain meat derived from an elk confirmed to have CWD NV, CA, TX, CO, NY, UT, FL, OK
RECALLS AND FIELD CORRECTIONS: FOODS CLASS II


http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/03/noahs-ark-holding-llc-dawson-mn-recall.html

Wednesday, March 18, 2009
Detection of CWD Prions in Urine and Saliva of Deer by Transgenic Mouse Bioassay

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/03/detection-of-cwd-prions-in-urine-and.html

some folks want this data. they don't want to stick their heads in the sand. they want to talk about it. they should. like i said, you can eat what you want, pour as much urine on yourself that you might think find you that big rack. i dont care. but you should not ignore the science.  this has been the problem all along. ...

tss

still no . we as taxidermist dont need a permit to be inspected by the gamewardens we already are. The way people do bussines has nothing to do with cwd      

Flounder,

I fail to see how anyone in their right mind could possibly think that permitting taxidermists would insure that Tecas would not ever get a case of CWD.  Game Wardens are always welcom in our shop and over the last 25-30 years have been frequent visitors.  Having a permit, issued by the State of Texas, allowing us to continue in an established business that has never been cited for any infraction will not insure that some hunter will not bring cwd into Texas. 

I don't believe that you have actually read or understood what the bill is about.  It's like saying "I we liscense or permit  grocery store clerks, we will stopspreading high blood pressure in Texas".

Ruglady

Terry,

What does this bill do?  It does nothing but regulate something that's already regulated, and create more government bureaucracy and cost tax dollars we don't have to implement.  The logic you imploy for its passing is much like that used of the global warming extremists: we know the planet is getting warmer, we don't really know what to do about it or what causes it (though many would argue that point), but we're going to do something now so if you have a problem with that plan GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!  Quit throwing articles at us and try dealing with some cold, hard, verifiable facts. 

Its appears to me as well that you don't understand that the movement of deer hides, carcasses and skins are aleady covered by law in Texas, much like Whit said.

And, as far as I'm concerned relying on an 'investigation' in New York state over hunting issues (without really studying the report) is kind of like relying on a wolf's report concerning sheep safety.

flounder writes:  since that old article was posted, i was proven correct on everything that was stated. thanks for posting that. i am proud of it. i am surprised they still have it up.

Mr. flounder exactly what are you most proud of?  Being refuted by the Center for Disease Control or the journal Neurology?  Personally, I could take pride in neither, but that's just me.

Most of the posters here are well informed, conscientious, stewards of the land.  When questions do arise most look to sound science for answers.  Is CWD a concern? Sure, but not to the extent some would portray.  I for one, will not listen to emotion based fear-mongeringfor accurate information.  Not trying to stop free speech, just exercising my right to believe research I conduct and not read endless, mind-boggling and boring drivel with continuous "links" to some article about this or that.

Permitting taxidermists will NOT stop CWD. We have absolutely no control over what hunters bring into this State. What about the hunters that do not get anything mounted by a professional? Or they bring it to you and you tell them you can't handle it because THEY didn't do what they needed to do to bring it back legally, what are they going to do with it? Throw it in a ditch somewhere and contaminate everything.

Everything in that bill is already covered in other areas and by other laws/regs. All the permit does is make us as taxidermists have to keep up with more paperwork, pay the state more money, oh, and BTW, increase YOUR prices in order to cover OUR extra cost and work.

It will not make taxidermists that are NOT following the rules now (sales tax, income tax, federal bird permit, WRD) follow them any better, they will still be the ones doing it under the table and off the records. All it will do is cause more work/cost to legit taxidermists therefore causing prices to go up.

Permitting taxidermists will do nothing to ensure the safety of the public. In addition to the points already made by Becky and others, all a permit does is create a registry of taxidermists for the game wardens to be able to "check up" on. How would this help when, like Becky said, only taxidermists who are already following all the laws would be the only ones to go get the permit? Even if people who are "shady" get the permit, there is nothing stopping them from doing so because a permit requires no proof of education, paying taxes, or anything else. Like I said, it is just a registry of taxidermists when really, the game wardens already know where all the legally operating taxidermists are. I don't see the point or how this helps the public in any way.

Several have already stated that all this bill will do is add paperwork and increase the cost of their business and thereby the cost to the consumer, as well as add repetitive rules and regulations to complicate everyone's life.  I wholeheartedly agree.

But I guess the thing that bothers me most is that Terry wants us to take action without figuring-out the real effects of those actions.  In other words activity somehow equals accomplishment.  My question is for whom?  The regulations this bill calls for are silly and repetitive...and yet here he is trying to tell us how horrible CWD is, how much we need the bill, and the bill does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to address any of the concerns he raises.  If this is true then why even consider it?

That's not the purpose of legislation Mr. Singletary, and frankly I don't know what you are trying to accomplish. 

Tell me Mr. Terry what do you mean tighten the taxidermy rules? And why did you not answer my questions about if CWD is in Texas  then why is TPWD and other organizations donating there kill to needy people? Ask Whit Weaver about going down south for with TPWD and manage killing 300 + deer and sending the meat to needy people. In my eyes you are just another PETA person that don"t understand what they read and makes their own assumptions to try and stir things up. A taxidermist has no control over CWD and never will. And besides that HB4214 is about permitting taxidermists not CWD.

Oh by the way THANKS TEXAS TAXIDERMY ASSOCIATION FOR TRY TO HELP FIGHT.

My fellow Texans and I that are here contacted our various reps to let them know how AGAINST this bill we are. Thanks Terry for bringing it to our attention. 

Guns don't kill people....Its those pesky little bullets making lots of holes that all the blood leaks out of.

Terry.   You have to be kidding me.  Taxidermist are NOT the reason CWD is spread.   Making a Taxidermist pay for a  stupid permit WILL NOT stop CWD from entering your state.  Maybe you should should put you efforts into educating your HUNTERS in your state.  That is how you can help stop it from entering your state. 

PA just got rid of the permit system because it made no sense, and it was not in place to stop CWD. 

The PA Game commission works with the PTA and posts things on a regular basis about CWD and is trying to educate people on how to help stop the spread a CWD. 

This kind of legislation is FOOLISH and won't help in any way.  Your just adding another Democratic TAX to the industry and creating a job for a governors son or daughter that has NO idea on how the taxidermy industry works.  

Government needs to get off their butt and find solutions that make sense, not solutions add more tax dollars to their pocket. 

You need to wake up!

WHY WE NEED RULES FOR TAXIDERMY, CASE IN POINT ;

lostpinestaxidermy Points: Y (23) / M (0) Keith York edit

Tell me Mr. Terry what do you mean tighten the taxidermy rules? And why did you not answer my questions about if CWD is in Texas  then why is TPWD and other organizations donating there kill to needy people? Ask Whit Weaver about going down south for with TPWD and manage killing 300 + deer and sending the meat to needy people. In my eyes you are just another PETA person that don"t understand what they read and makes their own assumptions to try and stir things up.     A taxidermist has no control over CWD and never will. And besides that HB4214 is about permitting taxidermists not CWD.

Tell me this Terry. If taxidermists are spreading CWD why are'nt all of us taxidermists dead yet? We are probably the most careful hunters and animal handlers that you can find. Go ahead and send it underground and watch the poachers go nuts! You don't have a clue!

Terry,

You're going to have to give us a little more information proving the taxidermists transmit CWD.  Some vague reference in a report from New York isn't even a start.  Besides, the links you provide don't work to review it.  And, with this supporting information let's deal with cold, hard, verifiable facts here, not reports that use the word "could", "might", and "may have".  When the dust clears, my guess is that there won't be anything to post.

And, like I've said before, the additional regulations in this bill do absolutely nothing to curb the transmission of CWD.

"i said that several states had thought they introduced it to their state by taxidermist. it's just another mode of transmission, one that should not be ignored"

Say whaaat??? The taxidermists are NOT the ones bringing the animals into the state, HUNTERS bring the animals into the state. And if they do that without going through the proper procedures, it is they, the hunters, that introduce it into the state, NOT the taxidermists.

You also say they "thought", hmm, well maybe they need to do some rethinking.

Tell me why, we, the taxidermists, are being labeled the bad guys here? Do the hunters not have any resposibilities? If they pass this on the taxidermists, you can bet the next thing will be some stupid law on the hunters, like say maybe, you can't hunt outside the state or you can't bring ANY of your kill back with you. You let them get one toe in the door with the stupidity and it will not end 'til they have killed hunting rights all together. Stop and think about it. How many rights are you willing to give up? Do you really want to quit hunting?

Tell me where in that bill that it says anything about CWD.

I see your addition at the bottom about the place in New York. If the HUNTER had done what he was suppose to the contaminated part would've never made it to the taxidermist in the first place.  It starts with the hunters doing their part. Granted the taxidermist should not have accepted it but he could already get in trouble for that WITHOUT this crappy bill.

No one wants to take responsibility.

So just how does this bill fix that? The regs are already there, all they have to do is enforce what they already have. This bill will do nothing more but give them a toe in the door, make us have more paperwork, make us pay more, and cause you to pay more if you go to a legit, professional taxidermist.

So when our prices go up, how many of you are going to start complaining and go look for someone doing things under the table without a permit just so you can get your mount cheaper?

why every hunter should support this bill, another case in point ;

RE: SUPPORT HB 4214 - Texas: Relating to the business of taxidermy; providing penalties AND HELP PREVENT CWD

April 7, 2009 10:06 PM [#28]

Becky P Points: Y (49) / M (28) Becky Phillips edit

No one wants to take responsibility. So just how does this bill fix that? The regs are already there, all they have to do is enforce what they already have. This bill will do nothing more but give them a toe in the door, make us have more paperwork, make us pay more, and cause you to pay more     ***if you go to a legit, professional taxidermist.     So when our prices go up, how many of you are going to start complaining and go look for someone doing things under the table without a permit just so you can get your mount cheaper?

***if you go to a legit, professional taxidermist.

ONE BAD SEED !!!

terry

And next we should high fence the the borders of the state. So no non-Texas deer can cross into our state. (might help a little on the southern border too) And every one of us should buy one of those sterile invironment bubbles to live in and never come into contact with another human being. That would put a stop to all comunicable diseases. Reproduction will only be done through the medical community, and we coupld have a monitor in each of our houses so that the gov't can make sure we follow the rules. I mean we should be willing to give up anything to stop diseases from entering our society.

Terry,

Let me try to put this to you again.  While I have never stated that I think we should ignore CWD or discontinue studies into it, you have to realize that you do an absolutely HORRIBLE job of rallying people to your cause on here.

I mean, here I am a fence rider (let's just say), and I would run like hell in the other direction from someone who lobbies the way you do.  Why is it so difficult to understand that people respond to common sense, cold hard facts (not maybe, could and might) and to someone who can successfully communicate the information to their target audience.

I have to say that I feel like your presence here is either as a pure alarmist, or you're just doing a very poor job at conveying the information and getting people to understand and agree with your side of this.

If it were me, and I believed in a cause as feverishly as you do this one, I would find someone who could improve my chances of success to do the arguing/convincing for me.

why every hunter should support this bill, another case in point ;

RE: SUPPORT HB 4214 - Texas: Relating to the business of taxidermy; providing penalties AND HELP PREVENT CWD

April 7, 2009 10:06 PM [#28]

Becky P Points: Y (49) / M (28) Becky Phillips edit

No one wants to take responsibility. So just how does this bill fix that? The regs are already there, all they have to do is enforce what they already have. This bill will do nothing more but give them a toe in the door, make us have more paperwork, make us pay more, and cause you to pay more     ***if you go to a legit, professional taxidermist.     So when our prices go up, how many of you are going to start complaining and go look for someone doing things under the table without a permit just so you can get your mount cheaper?

***if you go to a legit, professional taxidermist.

ONE BAD SEED !!!

terry

HUH?????

All they have to do in enforce the rules that are on the books now. there is NO need for the permit.

You don't need a permit to be legit. ANYONE could get the permit, but there is nothing to prove you know what you're doing, just a piece of paper that anyone can get. Fill out the application, pay your fee, get a permit, and voila, you're a taxidermist. That piece of paper doesn't make you a taxidermist.

There are hacks out there that do not fill out the required paperwork now and that don't have the licenses and permits they are supposed to have now. This bill won't stop that. If they wanted to shut those people down, they could do it simply by enforcing the law on the books now.

Terry,

You're losing your audience here...the point of your original post is to garner support for a taxidermy bill. 

I don't think anyone here doubts that CWD is a problem and that there is a future risk to it coming here to Texas.  Lets get past that, and all the fear mongering, and the pointing out of what you think may be someone's less-informed ideas on the subject.

So (again)...considering the regulations already in place how does this bill affect the spread of CWD?  Please, as I've said before, stick with cold, hard, verifiable facts only.

As a non-taxidermist that would aid in my understanding of what you want us to support. 

He cant answer you question, because it doesn't.

From what I can see, Terry knows nothing about it.  He cuts and pastes a a bunch of garbage that has nothing to do with his point.   He doesn't understand how CWD is brought into different states, and acts like he has been fighting this for years.

He acts like a PETA person and a Democrap, because he pushing for a way to burden Taxidermist with a meaningless permit and to ignorant to try teaching the hunters about the dangers of CWD, which most of us would be for.

Taxidermist are not Doctors,  nurses, teachers or Lawyers. 

Man, some people just never learn.

Guns don't kill people....Its those pesky little bullets making lots of holes that all the blood leaks out of.

This is cold, hard facts?  What were the laws in Michigan before this Order was passed versus existing laws in Texas concerning taxidermy and the lawful possession and transfer of harvested game species?

Three quarters of your links do not work, so either the sites don't exist, the references were pulled from the site, or you need to check your links before posting.  Throwing a bunch of links on a post means absolutely nothing if they can not be verified or evaluated.  And, this Instituto Veneto di Scienze is in Europe...I doubt their intelligensia would be very favorable towards hunting simply because of mindset, so right there I'm not real sure that they're beyond putting 'spin' on whatever they present.  Pretty shoddy documentation on your part to say the least.

And, you still have not answered my question about how this legislation you want us to support will affect the spread of CWD, in light of existing law.

Terry, if you're trying to overwhelm us with information that will not work.  You're going to have to deal with verifiable information, including analysis, neither of which you have provided.  I'm open to discussion of those pertinent facts, when you provide them, but what you've provided here is nothing more than fragmented verbage, unsubstantiated heresay (at this point), and implied fear mongering.  Unfortunately some of what you've said has the smell of politically-correct propaganda, and enough of us are sick enough of that type of communication that we'll turn off like a switch.

All this is well and good (HR 45 is a serious problem), but what does that have to do with taxidermy, CWD, and HB 4214?

Somebody needs to disable CTRL+V for this dude...

It drives him insane that we don't have CWD... It would make it a lot easier for him and all the other CWD alarmists if we did... they could use it to drive all their anti-fence, anti-feed, anti-deer breeder agendas all the more... but since Texas... the MECCA of landowner rights doesn't have CWD they have a hard time falsly connecting all those dots...

This is rediculous, how can CWD get from an expired animal at the taxidermist to a live animal in the field? This is just a ploy to put more regulations on taxidermist, and do you think for a minute that hunters won't bring their kill into texas anyway, and get some unliscened garage taxidermist to do it. we've never had a case of CWD that I know of in texas, and certainly never a person catching it,  so I think were just fine