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Forums >> Texas Hunting >> General Hunting >> PRICE OF LEASES, when is to much to much?

PRICE OF LEASES, when is to much to much?

Dos Plumas Ranch
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Are you tired of doing all of the game managing for the first few years of your lease, just to have the land owner go up on price or kick you off when it comes time for you to reap what you sowed?Have you ever had to go looking for another lease because you got kicked off just before the season starts?I am just curious as to how many of us this happens to.! That is why I quit leasing and started my own ranch,Dos Plumas Ranch ( www.dosplumasranch.com ). I am very commited to keeping the cost of hunting at a price where the average person can have a place to go.We like to call ourselves "The Working Mans Ranch".My question is , At what point do we say, ENOUGH???

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senderoshooter
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Well, there have been a few different reasons as to why we, in general, may have left a lease.  In my case, my dad and I had a lease in Rocksprings and got booted off the lease because some millionaire bought the ranch it was on as well as 2 of the surrounding ranches.  We had been on it for 13 years and the deer had been getting bigger every year.

I have not been able to get/find an acceptable lease because I want to be on a lease where family and friends can get on, not share it with someone I don't know.  I almost got on one down near Uvalde with another coach, but didn't because the terrain almost certainly required 4 wheel drive and I don't have one at this time.  My absolute highest price to pay for a lease would be about $1,500, unless it was shown to be worth what the leaser was wanting, then at that point I MIGHT go up to $2,000.  However, it would have to meet all my criteria: water, shelter, acreage, number of guns, etc.

How much do you charge at Dos Plumas?  I like your tag for your ranch, the "Working Mans Ranch".  I would be interested.

Thanks,

Robert

Live every second, live it right up to the hilt. ~~~Doc Holliday

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Believe me, I am at that point now.  I have decided just in the last couple of weeks, to try and buy some land.  I would like 500 acres in South Texas.  So we will see.  I want the land strictly for hunting only.

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Montgomery county

Working man's ranch? How much is too much? Well that will be different for each one of us. My youngest daughter is starting Baylor next year so $500 will probably too much for the next 4 years. I can't see paying over $1,000.00 for a lease. I hunted close to my house this year and got in 8 days. What would I do if I had to drive several hours? How much hunting could I do? Probably just a couple of weekends. Let's face it, I'm not rich. I will never be rich. I'm just a high school grad who makes a lot less than 6 figures a year. I can't write-off these expences like some can. Time is always short it seems.

However, I can for $108.00 get my hunting license, stamps, and annual hunting permit. I get to watch the birds start their day at sunrise, the animals scamper about the forest floor, and the georgeous sunrise and sunsets from a stand, the bay, or a lake. I can watch bald eagles chasing ospreys over their catch. I get enough meat and fish in the freezer each year. I can bring my child or grandkids with me at any time. I may not ever get a chance at a world class animal, but I can still have a world class experience, especially in the great state of Texas.

Just a note: Texas is also the name of my grandson. Does anything else need to be said?

GO CLIMB A TREE, TIM

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bigmike
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 The most I have ever paid for a lease was $1200 and after we hunted the entire season we had 3 deer and 1 turkey for 6 hunters. We all felt "taken" and only hunted that place 1 year. Unfortunately this happens all too often and what was a management minded hunter becomes a "shoot everything" hunter because of an untruthful lessor. Now $1200 is not much money to a ranch owner that has 20,000 acres with 10000 head of cattle, and it may not be much to some here, but it is a gold mine to me. When I pay that kind of money I expect it to be a two way street paved with respect. I will respect the land, fences, animals and  the neighbors and do everything possible to make the hunting better. I even make it a point to clean up messes that the hunters aren't responsible for. I expect that the owner/lessor will respect the time and money I spend to be there, by not doing activities that will be detrimental to the hunting, like digging new gas/oil wells or allowing family or friends to run 'coon dogs at night when we aren't there. I realize that cattle operations need to continue and gas/oil wells need to be checked, but those activities do not affect the deer population.  I guess I look at a couple different ways. I enjoy being out at the lease and being in the woods. But if I spend a ton of money and can't put any meat in the freezer I sometimes feel as though the time and money was wasted!

"It takes 32 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, but only 3 for a proper trigger pull."

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Mgutierrez

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Travis county

Working man's ranch? How much is too much?  I’ve been looking for a lease that I could afford for quite some time.  The prices I have seen lately are from $1200.00 and up.  To me this is a lot of money considering having expenses to and from the lease.  Luckily I found a lease well below the $1000.00. for the hole season.

 

I looked at your web site. And there is no way; I can afford your prices.

 

Mario

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The bottom line is this. One third of the land available in Texas is ultimately going to be sold for residential and commercial development. The rest will be at the land owner’s discretion. That means that a great percentage of land owners, and I mean 90% + will charge what the market will bear. So if they can get people to pay $3000-$5000 a gun, they are going to charge it. The only way to get the prices down is to not pay it. So there-in lays the other problem. You basically have 3 choices. One, stop hunting all together. Two, hunt only public land. Three, hunt out of state. I am a working man with a family. If I paid $800.00 for a lease that would be a great deal for me. I found a real cheap lease in east Texas this year and plan to stay on it for a while. It IS however a VERY different kind of hunting that I have been used to doing over the past 6-7 years. I have done it before but have to get back into the swing of things.  I would love to be able to hunt the hill country or south Texas but until the prices come down to a "reasonable" level, or a long lost relative dies and leaves me a fortune, I won't be able to pay those prices.

"Hate me if you want to, Love me if you can" Git-R-Done!

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waco oso

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Its all supply and demand, as texas's population continues to explode lease prices will continue to go up.

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Actually, I disagree on the Supply Vs. Demand theory. There are fewer hunters today than there were 20 years ago. Also, there are more deer now than there were 20 years ago. I don't think that the growth of cities is affecting the large ranches that are hunted anyhow. Most of us drive 2 to 3 hrs from town to go to the lease. Sure there are a few places that push deer out of an area because of the houses going up but how many of those areas were being hunted. The commercialization of the DEER industry is driving up the prices. In south Texas the price of an acre of land has tripled because of the guys willing to fly their personal planes to Alice, Cotulla or Uvalde and pay$5500 to shoot a 160 class deer on a Saturday morning and then fly home Saturday evening. The majority of the ad's in TTH magazine cater to very large operations and the independently wealthy. Not to me...I saw an ad the other day for a weekend hunt in south Texas....1 cull buck 8pts or better, 1 doe and all the varmits you can shoot, room and board incl........$4500.00!!!!! That is not Supply Vs. Demand ....that is GREED. Ok i'm off my soap box, later!

"It takes 32 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, but only 3 for a proper trigger pull."

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BCKHTR8
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Dallas county

All of you guys made outstanding points. The bottom line is that TOO MUCH is more then you feel comfortable paying and in hunting there are no true guarantees you'll kill and animal that is worth the amount that's paid for the lease. That's only true if it's a "canned" hunt.

Support our Troops !

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Country
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Llano county

When is too much too much?  That is a question that has been applied to everything in our lives, from homes, to cars, to fuel and everything in between.  It depends on our disposable income, how much and where we choose to spend it.

There has always been and will always be us poor boys, but there are so many levels of poor.  When is poor too poor?  Enough of that.

I have a friend that went in with six other guys to purchase several hundred acres out past Mountain Home, TX.  They have a good set up, Whitetail, Axis, Sika, hog and turkey, but it takes work from each to make to work well.  I think they are very wise, I look at what I pay for our Resort week and sure wish I would have spent that money on something that would  be increasing in value, like property to hunt on.  But, my girls enjoy other things.

Bigmike, I'm sure Allen would disagree that charging the big dollars for a hunt is not GREED.  When you have a place for people to come hunt with lodging, there are a lot of expenses to cover including the maintenance, insurance, mortgage, taxes and a profit.  A rancher these days has to be a very wise business man and they are trying to attract the person that has money to spend on luxury's, but also trying to fill in the time that are left open with people with less disposable income.  If a person is paying $1000 to $2000 for the lease, plus all the other expense and only get a doe or maybe a cull buck, dang.  Now take that $$ amount off of a hunt like Allen would provide for a person to take a 140 or 160 class animal that he has been managing for several years.  The cost does not look so bad.

You may say that it is not disposable income....but it is.  None of us would pay per pound what we pay for wild game at the local HEB, when you include our guns, ammo, camo, truck, ATV, tent or campers, travel expense, wild life feeders and feed...ie...$$$$  

 We are paying for the entrainment value that it is to us, plus the spot that it fills in our souls to be in the woods and harvesting game that we crave to harvest, nearly PRICELESS.

"A country boy will survive"

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Country, I do understand the points you made with the cost of a big ranch. I don't begrudge anyone who can afford to spend the money I just feel that it hurts the common man. I am happy on my new lease, not a-lot of deer but we have a good time and we have a good owner.

"It takes 32 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, but only 3 for a proper trigger pull."

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480 acres Just my wife and myself. 1500.00 a year. Full year around lease. Full access with ponds to fish on different locations than my lease. Plus a pond set aside just for dove hunting. I have a sweet deal. Not that many deer but good ones, tons of turkey and hogs whenever i see them. I feel very fortunate for what I have. Great land owner and plenty of space. All 80 miles from my front door.

I work, So I can hunt.

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7MMMag

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Lease prices have sky rocketed. In my neck of the woods the average lease is about $1,800.00 per gun, for deer season only. As sad as it sounds the guided hunts may be the more econimical way to go. I still love the lease and still have one. But I also know I put alot of money into it, besides the price of the lease. By the way Allen, never have met you. But from everyone I have heard you run an EXCELLENT facility, and for what others may think. Your darn cheap on the prices and quality of game. Keep it up and I wish you more success. Roy

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Allen, I had to get on and praise you for your site and your place. Your rates are more than reasonable/ affordable and I for one will pass on your site to others at work. I pray for your success and I will see you and probably bring friends.

"It takes 32 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, but only 3 for a proper trigger pull."

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mardrobe

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Eight years in living Idaho where I harvested a Moose for only a $75 dollar permit on private land where they don't even consider charging spoiled me forever on Texas hunting.  I could leave after work and harvest deer in the national forest 15 minutes from town.  Job situations required my returning to Texas, but I will jump at the opportunity to go back to a state with lots of public land.  Three kids in college, a wife who recently had cancer and a disabled son limit me to Public land hunting, but the quality doesn't compare with whats available in other states.

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wheeless621
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Brown county

All the best state owned land is probably reserved for the people closest to the politicians  (or at least closest to their pockets). 

Guns don't kill people....Its those pesky little bullets making lots of holes that all the blood leaks out of.

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biki1121

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Interesting question to say the least.  I think all have made valid points so far in this thread.

For me, I tend to place a value on what it is I am doing at the time.  A trip to Colorado with my Dad for an Elk hunt cost me about $1300.  It was worth every penny and then some.  Obviously as the years pass the cost becomes less but it is still an expensive trip for a week of hunting for a working stiff like me.  My deer lease here in Texas cost $650 a year.  Do I shot B&C class deer?  Well no but the freezer is usually full at the end of the year and for me that cost is about right.  I could start hunting with my brother at a "blue-chip" club that would run me about 1500-1600 a year.  Sure the buck have bigger racks than the ones I see but they seem to weigh about the same field dressed so I think I will pass.  I would like to shoot one "trophy" in my life and maybe I will come across that animal on my lease, maybe not.  But one thing is for sure, I don't see myself ever being on a "corporate hunt" with several thousands of dollars being shelled out to shoot a trophy deer.  I'm happy with what I have so I come on here to look at all those monsters the other guy shoots.  I'm truly happy for them and hope it they shared a great moment with family and/or friends on that hunt. 

Now with all that said..... It is a little scary at times for us "average joe" hunters.  Manage this, don't shoot that, feed this, plant that.......  Then somebody shoots a monster and the next thing you know you are on a "blue chip" club and the price triples or the lease is no longer available. It once was just a problem in south Texas but now now we are seeing it in east Texas as well.  I honestly think unless we find a middle ground or breaking point soon, us "Joes" will be hunting on public draw land or leaving Texas to find an affordable place to hunt. 

Biki

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harley91

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Hunting is no longer a sport in texas. it is a business catering to the people that can afford a larger percentage of their yearly income to (maybe) shoot a trophy deer. it's all about the trophy, it's not about the sport that every texan should be able to enjoy.

these ranchers act like they created these animals . the whitetail have been around for millions of years and should be accessible to the public. what will happen when these ranchers manage the deer into extinction? raise in a pen and shot for a huge price.

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Isn't this great! We have a large group of men and women who have a common interest and come from different backgrounds and income levels, yet we are able to have an intelligent conversation over a controversial subject without anyone getting raging mad or upset. That is the definition of a brotherhood. Keep it up fellas...and ladies too!

"It takes 32 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, but only 3 for a proper trigger pull."

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I hear you.  I will only say read FRUSTRATION, and that sums up my idea of it all.

Don't be a duck.

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waco oso

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I would have to agree with the greed comment as well. Guys up north just laugh at the hunting situation down here in texas now with all the high fences, the deer are basically like livestock now. I heard more than one northerner saw we are going to drown in our own greed, and he high fence crowd has a very dark cloud hanging over it now.

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Moore county

in my opinion, it all sums up to what it is worth to you to spend what you want to do what you want and it isnt about shooting anything, its about being in the outdoors for a time that will be remembered forever. you can pretty much make it want you want it to be.

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I have seen Tx Hunting get so out priced for us Normal Joe's that I decided to start hunting Mexico this past season and it was great!

Like stepping into a Clint Eastwood movie and hard hunting back to my roots type hunting!

I have spent the last 15 so years guiding here in Tx. to Corp. Groups to "Normal" like me type folks that love to hunt and share that experience with my kids as a right to live it!

We had a hard year in Mexico w/ the Bucks smaller than normal but a great time!

My son took a management buck (3pt spike 2.5 yr.old) but I passed on some solid deer in the 135's just beacuse--no buck for me but a happy camper for all year lease to take family and friends. We protien and feed and not too much dinero.

We pay $2500 a gun and have 11,000 acres w/ 11 spots not too bad and normal for Mexico and I feel the ranches there are gonna have to come down some this year because of the drought and bad year this year!

Just a thought for .02!

swampus!

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waco oso

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[quote]I feel the ranches there are gonna have to come down some this year because of the drought and bad year this year![/quote]

I hope so everyone I talk to had a terrible year (even though luckily I didn't).

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Red Dog

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I`m sorry guys but i don`t thing this Dos Plumas Ranch is a cheap place to hunt ! He want $1,200 for only three day of hunting and better not kill a big buck !$$$ You can find a year round lease and have more fun then the man in the moon ! On this place you go out and say bang and pay the man ! I like sandwitches and maybe a good cold beer ! I think we just found a way to make money. What happen to just paying the taxes for the true landowner ! Some say they don`t have much time to hunt so this is the way to go. I say if u are a true hunter u make time for it because you love the hunting and was rased that way! Yes management is the way to go there are so many leases that are shot out because the were only looking to make a buck or two most of it is all about money but why is it that up north u say deer llease people say whats that? I hunted on a 5000 ac. ranch south of Uvalde for 4 years before it change hands and had there own hunters. we paid !1,200 and the price never went up. We had water, elect., house all for no charge. the landowner was a hunter hem self and he gave us is hundred percent and we gave back more by taking care of the place. It just broke my heart when we had to go! so the point is that we hunters need to stand tall if the landowners do not get there money they want and start taking care of there land it will never change. as long as some one pays the price it well just keep going up !

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Red Dog

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I`m sorry guys but i don`t thing this Dos Plumas Ranch is a cheap place to hunt ! He want $1,200 for only three day of hunting and better not kill a big buck !$$$ You can find a year round lease and have more fun then the man in the moon ! On this place you go out and say bang and pay the man ! I like sandwitches and maybe a good cold beer ! I think we just found a way to make money. What happen to just paying the taxes for the true landowner ! Some say they don`t have much time to hunt so this is the way to go. I say if u are a true hunter u make time for it because you love the hunting and was rased that way! Yes management is the way to go there are so many leases that are shot out because the were only looking to make a buck or two most of it is all about money but why is it that up north u say deer llease people say whats that? I hunted on a 5000 ac. ranch south of Uvalde for 4 years before it change hands and had there own hunters. we paid !1,200 and the price never went up. We had water, elect., house all for no charge. the landowner was a hunter hem self and he gave us is hundred percent and we gave back more by taking care of the place. It just broke my heart when we had to go! so the point is that we hunters need to stand tall if the landowners do not get there money they want and start taking care of there land it may change. as long as some one pays the price it well just keep going up !

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Palo Pinto county

I know a group of guys (doctors) that paid $60,000 each, up front for a 10 year lease on a south Texas ranch. Granted, that included the rancher digging a well and putting single wide trailers and electric on the land, but 60k is a lot of money. You get 4 or 5 guys that can throw that kind of money out there, and the little guy quickly gets squeezed out.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

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wardlomc

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When is enough, landowners  are there to make money, I agreed prices are way to high for the average hunter but, if you are willing to pay one price and a person comes along willing to double that price that is income for the farmer with no output on his part, easy answer for landowner. I asked TP&WL the question if hogs are such a problem then way do farmers charge to hunt them, they gave me the same answer, money. I have been hunting the WMA's here in Texas and if you can go during the week and go at least a hundred yards off the trails, you will be alone. The hunting is good at times and most hunters are there because of the high cost of leases.

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