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WW II Sniper Shooting USA's Impossible Shots

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Well done sir...

Remington 700 7mm mag

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Great combination...I use a 7mm Rem Mag for longer distance shooting and use a Remington Model 700 Sendero.  Most accurate rifle I've ever owned.

want to no what other people think

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Kevin,

I do not own a Mauser in .30-06.  But, I will tell you from over 30 year's experience that every gun is different - even with the same model from the same manufacturer.  There are a number of things that affect accuracy for different bullets and loads:  Rate of barrel rifling twist, chamber headspace, harmonics on the barrel, etc.  Some guns will like 150 gr, some 165s, and another 180s...and, there are even bullet designs that some rifles favor over others.  Shoot different weights and loads from different manufacturers, because the type of powders can affect this as well.  To give you an example, I've got a 7mm Mag that likes only Federal 140gr Nosler Partitions.  With those I can keep under 0.75" at 100 yards consistently.  Without them I'm 1.5"+. 

There's also the type of hunting you do.  Frankly, if all you're doing is taking native Texas game, including hogs and most exotics (Nilgai might be a possible exception), any of the bullet weights above will do very well.  I'd even throw elk in that category.  You picked your round well - .30-06 is one of the best.

The other is the range you take game.  If you're shooting within 100 yards, a 2" group at 100 yards is plenty of accuracy.  And, cartridge selection in that case becomes more preference than anything else.  But, if you take game further than that you have to be a little more particular the farther you shoot, so bullet design becomes something to think more about, because there are bullet designs that hold speed and energy much better than others.  In this case you have to balance accuracy with bullet design (i.e. what can I shoot that hits where I aim and put it down)

Hope this helps.

Brush Country Monsters

Brush Country Monsters
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That's impressive...do you normally buy the ammunition from McWhorter or do you have to reload them yourself?

With your shooting at 450 yards what type of scope do you have on the rifle?  Just about has to be a 4.5 x 14, 6 x 20, or something like that.

Ruger 257 Roberts-vs-Marlin 308

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BH,

I've you're going to go with a .257" diameter bullet I'd go with the .25-06 - its flatter shooting and has more commercial loads available for it.  I shoot a .308 (before that a .25-06 for about 20 years) and if the Leverrevolution .308's performance is anything like the .308 Win its a hard round to beat unless you want flat shooting past 400-500 yards (7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, Weatherby Mags, etc).  As far as its suitability for varmints, if all you're trying to do put one away within about 300 yards it'll do great.  The pelt might not look like much, but the animal will get pegged.

All around good caliber...

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If you want to go that route and can only get one gun the .25-06 is a good choice.  Its flat shooting and can down a whitetail out to 300 yards, maybe more.  Had one for 20 years and loved it.  However, I'd watch the bullet construction when taking hogs. 

I know this always stirs-up controversy, but me personally I think a .243 is too small for deer.  They'll drop when shot in the right place with one, but even in the best of worlds that's not always going to happen.  I've seen a couple walk away after getting shot with a .243 and had the 'enjoyment' of tracking them...and not finding either. 

The New Bridge takes Shape

The New Bridge takes Shape
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Josh,

That's absolutely great news...thank you for posting it.  In today's times we need reminders of the Pat Tillman's of this world, who thought is more important to defend this country rather than enjoy the comforts, pleasantries, and profits of remaining at home.   

I'm reminded of another man named Jack Lummus, who originally was from Ennis, TX and played for Baylor.  Unfortunately you don't hear much about him these days.  He played as an end for the New York Giants in 1941 and showed great promise, but rather joined the Marine Corps in January 1942 after Pearl Harbor was attacked.  He won the Congressional Medal of Honor, posthumously, for his actions at Iwo Jima in March, 1945, which are detailed in the 1965 book "Iwo Jima" by Richard F. Newcomb.  Its lengthy, but here's his MOH citation...also well worth reading: 

"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty … Resuming his assault tactics with bold decision after fighting without respite for two days and nights, First Lieutenant Lummus slowly advanced his platoon against an enemy deeply entrenched in a network of mutually supporting positions.
 
"Although knocked to the ground when an enemy grenade exploded close by, he immediately recovered himself and, again moving forward despite the intensified barrage, quickly located, attacked and destroyed the occupied emplacement. Instantly taken under fire by the garrison of a supporting pillbox and further assailed by the slashing fury of hostile rifle fire, he fell under the impact of a second enemy grenade but, courageously disregarding painful shoulder wounds, staunchly continued his heroic one-man assault and charged the second pillbox, annihilating all the occupants.
 
"Subsequently returning to his platoon position, he fearlessly traversed his lines under fire, encouraging his men to advance and directing the fire of supporting tanks against other stubbornly holding Japanese emplacements. Held up again by a devastating barrage, he again moved into the open, rushed a third heavily fortified installation and killed the defending troops. Determined to crush all resistance, he led his men indomitably, personally attacking foxholes and spider traps with his carbine and systematically reducing the fanatic opposition, until, stepping on a land mine, he sustained fatal wounds.
 
"By his outstanding valor, skilled tactics and tenacious perseverance in the face of overwhelming odds, First Lieutenant Lummus had inspired his stouthearted Marines to continue the relentless drive northward, thereby contributing materially to the success of his regimental mission. His dauntless leadership and unwavering devotion to duty throughout sustain and enhance the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. He gallantly gave his life in the service of his country."
 
To which I'd add a quote from the book about how he died:
"suddenly he was at the center of a powerful explosion, obscured by flying rock and dirt. As it cleared, his men saw him rising as if in a hole. A land mine had blown off both his legs that had carried him to football honors at Baylor.

"They watched in horror as he stood on the bloody stumps, calling them on. Several men, crying now, ran to him and, for a moment, talked of shooting him to stop the agony.
 
"But he was still shouting for them to move out, move out, and the platoon scrambled forward. Their tears turned to rage, they swept an incredible 300 yards over the impossible ground and at nightfall were on the ridge, overlooking the sea.

"There was no question that the dirty, tired men, cursing and crying and fighting, had done it for Jack Lummus."
After being hit by the land mine, the legless Lummus was carried to a battlefield hospital and lived for several more hours.
 
There, according to surgeon Lt. E. Graham Evans, Lummus was thinking of football when he uttered his final words.
 
“I guess the New York Giants,” Lummus said, “have lost the services of a good end.”
 
Lummus’s Medal of Honor was presented to his mother, Laura, on Memorial Day 1946. His remains were buried in Ennis, Texas, two years later.
 
For most young men, reaching the NFL, playing in its championship game, would be the crowning achievement of their life. Lummus's gravestone tells us only that he was a first lieutenant in the U.S. Marine Corps.
Sorry for this being a little wordy, but if this doesn't get to you nothing will.  We need to never forget the Tillmans and Lummus' who gave so much.

Thank You!!!

Thank You!!!
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I'd forgotten about this man, but after Josh brough up Pat Tillman it jarred my memory, about another marine from Texas...although its posted at another place on THF its well worth reading.

I'm reminded of another man named Jack Lummus, who originally was from Ennis, TX and played for Baylor.  Unfortunately you don't hear much about him these days.  He played as an end for the New York Giants in 1941 and showed great promise, but rather joined the Marine Corps in January 1942 after Pearl Harbor was attacked.  He won the Congressional Medal of Honor, posthumously, for his actions at Iwo Jima in March, 1945, which are detailed in the 1965 book "Iwo Jima" by Richard F. Newcomb.  Its lengthy, but here's his MOH citation...also well worth reading: 

"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty … Resuming his assault tactics with bold decision after fighting without respite for two days and nights, First Lieutenant Lummus slowly advanced his platoon against an enemy deeply entrenched in a network of mutually supporting positions.
 
"Although knocked to the ground when an enemy grenade exploded close by, he immediately recovered himself and, again moving forward despite the intensified barrage, quickly located, attacked and destroyed the occupied emplacement. Instantly taken under fire by the garrison of a supporting pillbox and further assailed by the slashing fury of hostile rifle fire, he fell under the impact of a second enemy grenade but, courageously disregarding painful shoulder wounds, staunchly continued his heroic one-man assault and charged the second pillbox, annihilating all the occupants.
 
"Subsequently returning to his platoon position, he fearlessly traversed his lines under fire, encouraging his men to advance and directing the fire of supporting tanks against other stubbornly holding Japanese emplacements. Held up again by a devastating barrage, he again moved into the open, rushed a third heavily fortified installation and killed the defending troops. Determined to crush all resistance, he led his men indomitably, personally attacking foxholes and spider traps with his carbine and systematically reducing the fanatic opposition, until, stepping on a land mine, he sustained fatal wounds.
 
"By his outstanding valor, skilled tactics and tenacious perseverance in the face of overwhelming odds, First Lieutenant Lummus had inspired his stouthearted Marines to continue the relentless drive northward, thereby contributing materially to the success of his regimental mission. His dauntless leadership and unwavering devotion to duty throughout sustain and enhance the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. He gallantly gave his life in the service of his country."
 
To which I'd add a quote from the book about how he died:
 
"suddenly he was at the center of a powerful explosion, obscured by flying rock and dirt. As it cleared, his men saw him rising as if in a hole. A land mine had blown off both his legs that had carried him to football honors at Baylor.

"They watched in horror as he stood on the bloody stumps, calling them on. Several men, crying now, ran to him and, for a moment, talked of shooting him to stop the agony.
 
"But he was still shouting for them to move out, move out, and the platoon scrambled forward. Their tears turned to rage, they swept an incredible 300 yards over the impossible ground and at nightfall were on the ridge, overlooking the sea.

"There was no question that the dirty, tired men, cursing and crying and fighting, had done it for Jack Lummus."
 
After being hit by the land mine, the legless Lummus was carried to a battlefield hospital and lived for several more hours.
 
There, according to surgeon Lt. E. Graham Evans, Lummus was thinking of football when he uttered his final words.
 
“I guess the New York Giants,” Lummus said, “have lost the services of a good end.”
 
Lummus’s Medal of Honor was presented to his mother, Laura, on Memorial Day 1946. His remains were buried in Ennis, Texas, two years later.
 
For most young men, reaching the NFL, playing in its championship game, would be the crowning achievement of their life. Lummus's gravestone tells us only that he was a first lieutenant in the U.S. Marine Corps.
 
Sorry for this being a little wordy, but if this doesn't get to you nothing will.  We need to never forget the Pat Tillmans and Jack Lummus' who gave so much.
The historic marker in Ellis County (I believe) is pictured below

If you could own one rifle what would it be?

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For an all-purpose factory rifle I'd select a Remington Model 700 CDL SF in 7mm Remington Mag topped with a Zeiss Conquest 3 x 9 50mm.  Not a cheap ride, but you asked.

In my opinion Remington makes the most accurate factory-made out-of-the-box rifle today for the buck.  The Model 700 is a proven action and the CDL SF is an all-weather combination coming in at a little over 7 1/2" lbs so it doesn't weigh a ton. 

The 7mm outperforms any deer cartridge on the planet in terms of a combination of ease of ammunition availability and weight variety (139 gr - 175 gr, wider variety and easier to get than SAUM or WSSMs), ballistics (yes Virginia, in equal weights it significantly outperforms a .270 in terms of drop and energy, especially at longer ranges), and ease of use (doesn't kick any harder than a .270 IMHO).  Shoot a 140 grain bullet and you're crusing along over 3,100 fps out the muzzle with over 1,500 ft-lbs at 500 yards (depending on the bullet design).  Some might argue that the 7mm is too much for Texas-sized deer.  I'd counter that with a well-made bullet you shouldn't tear anything more up that with other cartridges, and as the range gets longer you'll appreciate the lack of drop.

The Zeiss Conquest (again in my opinion) is a tough, dependable scope.  I love Leupolds (that's all I own), but after shooting through both I have to admit that the Zeiss is a cut above, and the Conquest is the cheapest way to get at German glass.

Do you Rattle?

Do you Rattle?
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About 10 years ago I was 'forced' to rattle for the first time after several days with the deer not moving.  The landowner called and asked what was I seeing and I said not a thing.  He asked me why aren't you rattling and I very cleverly responded because I didn't have any horns.  He had a set and said I could use them, so I told him I'd give it a try rolling my eyes the whole time.  Turns out I rattled in a mature 9 point on my first try (which is a bizarre story in itself) and have seen, as long as the buck-doe ratio is reasonable and hunting pressure is low that it works pretty well where we hunt.

With all that we're still what you call "reluctant rattlers".  We've always been 'watchers', hunting foods sources or travel corridors, and usually move towards a more aggressive tactic like rattling only when nothing else is working.  Last year we rattled in 2 bucks, the last one a very respectable, but too young, 8 pointer (we saw a very nice 9 pointer too that was rattled-in not by us, but by a pair of fighting bucks right by us).  With the acorn crop the way it is this year, barring an early freeze-thaw cycle, we'll likely rattle again this season.

Like Hardy we usually rattle before and during the rut.  The big boys almost always come in downwind, some fast, some slow.  But, when they get within 10 yards (or less), wind you, then go crashing back through the brush on a calm, quiet December day it will scare your socks off.  We've also had 'em come in so mad that they start hooking limbs and thrashing around to the point where we've actually considered shooting even if the buck isn't really a shooter.  Big headgear on an immature buck 10 feet from you is still big headgear.  We've never had to do it, but its close at least twice.  We've also had the same situation where its 20-30 minutes before anythign moves in and, we've gotten 'burned' getting-up too early. 

I don't know what Hardy or any of the other folks have seen, but even with all the fighting going on from annual buck territorial wars it appears to us that you can rattle too much and inadvertently condition bucks to become more cautious.

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