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Bow Totin' Grandma

Bow Totin' Grandma
Summary: This deer was taken during bow season GRAYSON COUNTY, TX -- A Texoma grandmother says she bagged her biggest deer in Grayson County this weekend, and it may be one of the biggest ever killed in the area by a woman. Joyce Ooten, 60, used her bow to shoot this 19-point-buck over the weeken...

Free Range Buck

Free Range Buck
Summary: This is from a little while ago, but nice to see deer like these on free range ranches.

So Close Yet So Far

So Close Yet So Far
Summary: Big Mulies just of out of bow range...that would be a hard shot to keep from at least trying (though its certainly the right thing to do).  I think this was taken in Colorado.

Elk in Pennsylvania

Elk in Pennsylvania
Summary: There's a small herd of about 600 elk in PA.  They were originally shot-out after the civil war but were reintroduced by Teddy Roosevelt's administration, with the first Rocky Mountain elk arriving in 1913.  Starting in 2001 an elk hunting lottery alloted 30 or so tags.  I think the first year ther...

Big Saskatchewan Bucks in Velvet

Big Saskatchewan Bucks in Velvet
Summary: These are free range deer in velvet...one of them had to be in the 190s class.

Missouri Archery Deer

Missouri Archery Deer
Summary: Got this via email.  Looks like it might be a little dated, but still a great deer.   It's not officially measured yet, but it looks certain that a buck deer taken by Florida archer Scott Fowler at the Poosey Conservation Area on September 18 will become the largest typical whitetail ever reco...

30-06 VS .270

30-06 VS .270
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The .30-06 and .270 are very good rounds.  I did several years of research into long range knockdown power, trajectory, ease of getting rounds (i.e. number of mfgrs and number of loads available), bullet construction (including ballistic coefficient), and weight range before buying a rifle several years ago.  Even called some of the manufacturers themselves.  Like Duckwacker said early in the thread I got a 7mm Remington Mag and never looked back.  It has the best combination of flat trajectory, ease of ammunition purchase, widest range of bullet weights (in the whitetail to elk class) available, and downrange performance.

The pics below from Federal's website show what I'm trying to illustrate between say a .270 and 7mm with 140 grain bullets from the same manufacturer (they also demonstrate how fine a line we're talking about here).

Help me decide!

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No doubt I'd go with a Remington.  Great gun, especially for the price.  My Sendero is the most accurate out-of-the-box gun I've ever owned at well under 1" groups with factory ammunition.  Don't skimp here or on the optics - you get what you pay for.  A good rifle-scope combination, if taken care of, will last you for decades.

You're also going to find that there are a wide number of opinions here on caliber selections.  I'll try to be as unbiased as I can:

The .270 definitely has its merits: its realtively flat shooting up to 130 grains, ammunition is easy to find, and it doesn't kick nearly as hard as a .30-06.  The .30-06 is a great round too, not anywhere as flat as the .270, but you can take just about any game animal in the U.S. with it (except big bears).   It has a wide bullet weight range of 150 to 180 grain (some load a round nose 200 grain too).  The .30-06 I owned was a tack driver but it also had a pretty good kick to it. 

Frankly, if you're going to think in the .270 or .30-06 range I'd recommend a 7mm Remington Mag.  It shoots flatter than a .270, is a great whitetail round with 140 grain bullets (available from several manufacturers) or even 150 grain if your rifle won't shoot a 140 grain well (different rifles like different bullet weights).  It doesn't kick like the .30-06 either in my opinion.  Ammunition is as easy to find as a .270 too.

A lot of folks will say the 7mm Mag is too big for whitetail...hogwash.  We're talking about the difference in bullet diameter of 0.277" for a .270 versus 0.284" for a 7mm.  That's 0.007".  To compare, most .270 hunters I know of use a 130 grain for whitetails so that's 10 grains difference in bullet weight.  The key to the 7mm is that it'll sling an equivalent bullet about 10% faster than a .270 due to the case construction.  Also, with the 7mm you have a pretty wide available bullet weight range of 140 grain to 165 grain (175 grain for handloads) so the round will handle all the way from pronhorn to elk.

Fact of the matter is that the best cartridge depends on your hunting conditions.  Since you don't know exactly what that will be for the next 20 or so years you want to get a round that'll handle about anything.  To me the .270, .30-06, .308, 7mm-08, .264 Win Mag, and several others will handle your situation well.  But, if you're looking for a combination of flat trajectory, ease of purchasing, less kick (as compared to a .30-06), and versatility the 7mm Mag is the way to go.

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Dylan,

You might want to put a question like this under 'General Hunting' so you don't get questioned by someone.

Your question though is a good one, and among hunters is a pretty subjective topic.  The answers you get will depend on the hunting situation, the range, to some degree your skill, the rifle you're using, and often just a hunter's preference. 

Many hunters when they're hunting doe will shoot them in the neck to ruin as little meat as possible.  Sometimes a neck shot is the only one you have, especially if you're still hunting in heavy cover or rattling.  Most of the neck shooters I know are good shots that practice a lot, and several of those will limit their effective range to suit what they feel is their level of competentcy.  Some hunters will neck shoot when using small caliber rifles like a .220 Swift, .223, .22-250 or even a .243.  I sure don't recommend that, but I know several good hunters that do.

I've always been a heart/lungs shooter.  Its a quick, humane kill that leaves the most room for any shooter error.  And even in the best  of situations things can and do happen.  Lung shots also leave a great blood trail and when properly done don't ruin a lot of meat.  Sometimes I'll take a shoulder shot if a lung shot for some reason is not available, like when an animal is quartering towards you.  It'll  immobilize the shoulder, hit the upper lungs and, depending on the angle, keep away from the stomach/intestines.  If all other options are not available, and if I feel comfortable enough, I'll take a neck shot.

 

rossi single shot 7.62x39 range reports

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Congrats Ricky, saw you and your daughter's picture.  Words can't express what its like watching one of your children take their first deer and getting caught with 'the bug'.  Nope...you didn't look happy at all in that photo.  In fact, I thought the camera wasn't going to work with the 2 of you grinning so wide! 

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