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long range hunting?

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Oh, and I will give my buddy Billy Rhodes credit for longest shot I've ever witnessed at 650 yards on a doe.  Impressive.

Deer Triplets?

Deer Triplets?
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While occasionally a 6 month old doe fawn will be bred and give birth to a single fawn her first year, in general a doe will have a single fawn as a rule at 2 (although twins aren't unheard of).  After that twins are the rule, not the exception.  Most of the time you see a single, something has happened to the other.

Triplets are rare here.  I had an old doe however that did it in 3 consecutive years (at least I'm pretty sure it was the same old doe...looked like her.)

This is a shot of her and her triplets the last time she had them.

Spikes...shoot or don's shoot

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I can't believe we're still having this discussion in 2009. This was my response to the same question a while back on the board.  I'll just copy and paste here.

"People need to quit worrying about shooting spikes...period.

If you have alot of spikes in your 1 1/2 year old age class (and especially if you have them older than that), then there are things you need to address before you ever consider shooting one.

What is your carrying capacity?  What is your population?  What is your average recruitment rate?  How about your buck:doe ratio?  Tell me about the age structure of your deer herd?  How good is your native food supply?  What are you doing to supplement that native food supply?

Until you can do this, you can't know enough about your deer herd to make decisions on spikes.   And if you take care of all of these things and get them in order, you won't need to worry about spikes.

It's not that they'll go away.  Even on controlled, well fed populations, when drought hits, the 1 1/2 year old age class will sometimes produce high numbers of spikes.

Get your other issues in order and then if you want to start "culling", do so at 3 1/2 years old or older. 

I've told this several times, but I'll do it again here.  We've never had a large number of spikes in our 1.5 age class.  Matter of fact, never over 10%...until 2006.  We had a severe drought and for the first time we didn't have year round food plots and had a large number of deer on the ranch competing for a limited food supply in the form of protein pellets.  As a result, the 1.5 age class that year sported over 70% spikes.  But there was NO difference in my genetics.  Just in the balance of population to food supply. 

The following year, we had a great rain year and saw 1 spike in over 40 1.5 year old bucks.  Again, did my genetics just get better?  No. 

Now, an argument could be made for taking that one spike in a banner year.  He was the worst of the worst.  But why would I worry about him?  There are other factors that may have played in:  was he born late? Did he get sick, injured?  If my age structure is in order, I can give him time to prove himself."

I hope this helps.  There is NO reason in anything other than an incredibly intensively managed herd to shoot spikes...NONE!  The only reason that I would do it would be if my population model required me to shoot a certain number of bucks to reach my goals and I didn't feel like there was anything else in the middle-upper age classes that I was comfortable taking.  Even then, I would hate doing it.  People more times than not are just looking for an excuse to shoot a deer...shoot a doe or an older cull buck.

Sounds I never heard from a deer

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Most of the time a doe is running and calling like that it's about her fawn.  But without being there and hearing it, I wouldn't know for sure.

A year older

A year older
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About as expected.  High grass and thick brush made it difficult to see. 

We just flew the grid on our place and didn't chase anything.  I just wanted the numbers for TPWD purposes.

Didn't see the fawn count that you see on the ground, nor the buck/doe ratio that we know is here, but again with the conditions, it was about like I thought it would be.

Yearling Spikes?

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Kevin,

This was my response to the same question a while back on the board.  I'll just copy and paste here.

"People need to quit worrying about shooting spikes...period.

If you have alot of spikes in your 1 1/2 year old age class (and especially if you have them older than that), then there are things you need to address before you ever consider shooting one.

What is your carrying capacity?  What is your population?  What is your average recruitment rate?  How about your buck:doe ratio?  Tell me about the age structure of your deer herd?  How good is your native food supply?  What are you doing to supplement that native food supply?

Until you can do this, you can't know enough about your deer herd to make decisions on spikes.   And if you take care of all of these things and get them in order, you won't need to worry about spikes.

It's not that they'll go away.  Even on controlled, well fed populations, when drought hits, the 1 1/2 year old age class will sometimes produce high numbers of spikes.

Get your other issues in order and then if you want to start "culling", do so at 3 1/2 years old or older. 

I've told this several times, but I'll do it again here.  We've never had a large number of spikes in our 1.5 age class.  Matter of fact, never over 10%...until 2006.  We had a severe drought and for the first time we didn't have year round food plots and had a large number of deer on the ranch competing for a limited food supply in the form of protein pellets.  As a result, the 1.5 age class that year sported over 70% spikes.  But there was NO difference in my genetics.  Just in the balance of population to food supply. 

The following year, we had a great rain year and saw 1 spike in over 40 1.5 year old bucks.  Again, did my genetics just get better?  No. 

Now, an argument could be made for taking that one spike in a banner year.  He was the worst of the worst.  But why would I worry about him?  There are other factors that may have played in:  was he born late? Did he get sick, injured?  If my age structure is in order, I can give him time to prove himself."

Morning Glory - Old Mexico

Morning Glory - Old Mexico
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You're hitting the nail Dean.

#1.   Great idea to stop feeding corn.  There's no benefit and it can actually be detrimental to the herd.  On several occasions deer have overfed on free choice corn and died...mostly in the 1.5 year old male segment.

#2.  We also only feed protein at certain times of the year.   Not a huge need for it after the antlers go hard.  The only suggestion I would have would be for a protein/high fat supplement like cotton seed during the winter months, especially post-rut.  My advice would be to concentrate your intense feeding during drought and post-rut periods.

Truth is, the reason we do all that we do is that our place is small when it comes to managing deer.  In order to be successful and carry enough deer to produce trophy deer, we have to do something to supplement the native food sources.  Therefore, food plots and supplemental feed are used.

If I had 10,000-17,000 acres, I wouldn't do food plots unless I could do them right (and that would be expensive).  I would feed as much as possible, but mostly I would keep my density low.  I would cull heavily and keep my buck:doe ratio in order.   By keeping the population well under carrying capacity on a place that size, you'll protect the native food sources and still be able to produce the big boys because of the overall number of deer.

With our place it's a little different.

We want what the big acreage tracts have.  Essentially a large "bell curve" of bucks to try and produce trophy deer.  In order to do this, we need to be able to carry the same number of deer on 1,000 acres that you can carry on 10,000.  Enter food plots and supplemental feed. 

I still have the native food sources protected.  My buck:doe ratio is still in tact.  I cull aggressively.  But because of the additional food supplies, I am able to run my carrying capacity up to nearly 10 times what it would be without and therefore up my chances at producing giants, as well as produce larger numbers of large (and healthy) deer.

 

Scoring/Aging Contest

Scoring/Aging Contest
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Just in case someone didn't read the previous post regarding this contest:

The winner will come down to the ranch for a few days (I recommend at least 2) for a doe and possible cull buck hunt. 

I will donate my time and there's no charge for the deer.

The only cost will be for putting you up and feeding you at the lodge.

If anyone has questions, e-mail me.

Thanks and GOOD LUCK!

How Wide is He?

How Wide is He?
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I love the term "wilderness" bucks.

So how are huge agricultural fields that then create funnels and corriders as well as provide fantastic nutrition for the deer not "artificial"?  How are doe management permits not "artificial"?  Forest thinning, and managing natural habitat...they're all done by man either directly or indirectly benefitting the deer herd.

So is our "managing natural habitat".  And one of the best ways to do that in this part of the world is by supplemental feeding.  It takes the pressure off of the native plants especially during drought times.  But you don't understand that, do you?

It's all a question of where you draw the line.  You grew up there and that's what you consider "natural".  No problem...enjoy it.   I have a line too, but I'm informed enough about all of it to make that decision.

No one has a problem with you not approving other methods.  But you don't even understand them.  You don't know anything about what you're trying to talk down.  You classify everything together and that is completely ignorant.  I keep using that word, because unfortunately it fits so well.

Low Fawn Mortality

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No question that drought and coyotes in large numbers equal low recruitment rates.

I would advise that you trap to begin with.

Other things you can do to improve fawn survival during droughts is to provide more supplemental feeding locations and water sources, spreading them throughout the property.

We have a protein feeding station for every 100 acres on the ranch and 12 water sources (ponds, tanks and concrete pilas) on 1,000 acres.

By doing this you minimize the distance that the doe has to travel and leave that fawn unprotected.   Even in drought years, our fawn survival is very high.  More exposure means more risk for that fawn.

Obviously, when you get good rain, it enables the doe to stay closer, but it also provides more cover for the fawns to protect them from predators.  If there is anything you can do to create this cover, it would help as well.

 

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