What did you eat for lunch?

Or better yet, what are your shoes made of? Do you own a car? More animals are killed by cars or for leather and fur, then we could ever dream of harvesting by hunting them.

TxBowHunter - I had a Tofu and watercrest lunch today. It was yummy. We'll see you in the hospital after you've had a heart attack from eating all that animal fat, eh? Bigmachinist - My shoes are canvas and rubber. Would never wrap myself in animal skin - how barbaric!!! And I take the subway (public transportation) too when it's too far for a bicycle ride. Killing a a brother animal would drive me to tears. You beer-bellied barbarians are simply too much. You all need to move to a blue state - or at least a blue state of mind. Wait til Hillary takes over.

Animal Lover Closer to God than you hunter / killers

I really can't believe you have such low intelligence to believe that the harvest of animals that would either die of disease or starvation is a bad thing.... maybe it's not for you, but we enjoy it. furthermore please don't say the H word on this site..

Animal-lvr,

I fully respect the fact that you don't agree with people hunting and that you, yourself, apparently don't eat meat, but please don't critisize me for my hunting. I hunt very ethically in every aspect of the word. I don't take uncertain shots that could only wound or make the animal suffer. I take only what I personally and my family can eat. Yes there are those people that will shoot anything that moves and even those that "hunt" to put another head on the wall. Please don't classify us as all being the same. I  critisize those people myself. As for being closer to God.....read the bible. after the flood, God gave man permission to eat meat. Again I respect your oppinion, but please don't critisize what you don't understand.

"Hate me if you want to, Love me if you can" Git-R-Done!

Here we go, another one of these guys that  surf the web looking for site for hunters/gun owners.When they find one all they want to do is start some crap.I have seen this on nearly every site that I am a member of.Just ignore it will go away like a bad cold.Just my .02 and this will be my only post on this subject.

"you skin griz pilgrim"

Wheelgun -how dare you say all I want to do is 'start some crap'. I am very sincere in my beliefs -killing and eating poor defenseless animals is wrong - you will all get coronary disease and die an early death. You all need to visit the PETA website and maybe learn something. PETA has two new spokespersons now - Anna Nicole Smith and Dennis Rodman. These two fine people are standing behind something they truly believe in. Furthermore guns should not be put into any hands except the police and the military. And just wait until Hillary is (re)elected.

Animal Lover Closer to God than you hunter / killers

Get em boys.

PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals.

Here's a cat for you animal lvr and its free.

picture time.

I've been watching this thread with great amusement. It's obviously an attempt to stir up some discussion and it appears it has worked. This person is certainly not from PETA, he has no clue about PETA and says he is from Mars or Afghanistan and is 85 years old. If he is 85, there are a couple of Alzheimers' studies I could possibly get him into. This was done to stir things up, it's evident from the vitriolic attack that mirrors one of a 6 year old.

Don't fall into the trap, ignore him and, like any 6 year old, he'll tire of it and go away.

I have to admit, I am impressed that Anna Nicole Smith and Dennis Rodman are now spokespersons for PETA. It shows just how selective PETA is and confirms my initial thought that most PETA members do copious amounts of drugs and need to get a life.  

Gun control is hitting what you aim at.

Good luck and good hunting.

Gman - those photos , at least the first two, are revolting. shame shame shame on you. All they do is increase my resolve to stay on this board. BigGuy - I am proud that Anna and Dennis are now PETA spokespeople. People will pay atention to them. You are right about one thing. This is obviously an attempt to stir updiscussion. I am trying to teach all you hunter / killers that hunting is wrong and eating animal flesh is wrong too. You are wrong on one thing BigGuy - I WILL NOT go away.

Animal Lover Closer to God than you hunter / killers

Afghan man,

The only time people pay attention to Anna and Dennis is when she takes her top off  and/or he gets arrested again. It is interesting you hold both of them in such high regard. That certainly says something about those values that you hold dear.

I won't be responding to anymore of your self-serving diatribes and drivel. I'm guessing that if everyone ignores your rants that, like a good 6 year old, you'll quit playing when you find out that you're the only one on the playground.

Good luck and good hunting.

You think animals are poor defensless critters....what about the vegetables you eat...they grow, and are "alive"...now that's defenseless.....you are a sick person..ripping that stuff out of it's only life source and eating it raw....pulling it off of the vines that keep it alive...how could you be so cruel...they should lock you up and throw away the key...better yet..strap you to a chair and poke hole in evey major vein and see what happens....ahhhhhh feel better...

Steve San Antonio Hunt Del Rio, and Rocksprings areas

Animal-lvr,

I too will make this my last post. You will NEVER convince me that I am wrong, ignorant, a "killer", or any of the other tree hugger nonsense. Until such time as you stap on a pare of boots and go out in the woods with what you call "defenseless" creatures I would again suggest that you not judge what you don't understand. It is always easy to point fingers and make judgements but easy doesn't mean right. Oh and lest I forget, those animals are certainly not "defenseless" I can assure you. Take some of the time that you apparently have and look into information on people injured by deer, hogs, bears, cats etc. Oh and also, I would certainly think that the lovely specimen on the bicycle eats meat of some type. And no I don't mean that in a perverse manner I mean meat like beef, chicken etc. And the last thing. if you eat fish, that is a live animal too.

Have a wonderful day.

"Hate me if you want to, Love me if you can" Git-R-Done!

picture time.....:-))

MMMMMMM.....bloody

This one is really cool.

i call this one "bringing em up right".

Go Longhorns!

lot o pork

i like em raw!

Oh, did I mention that I can't stand these dadgum PETA PUNKS.

i love it gman.... damn PETA people... make me sick

You all should be ashamed of yourselves. I just held a funeral service for all my slain 'cousins' that were so brutally murdered. I am still in mourning for them.

Animal Lover Closer to God than you hunter / killers

God created the animals to feed us. Thats why you have canine teeth. TO EAT MEAT. Not just veggies. Grow up!

I work, So I can hunt.

I hate it when people like this idiot person comes on and talks about a subject they have no clue about.  we keep the population in check, they are just pissed off because the most exciting thing they have ever done is probably a march to "save the pretty animals", that is pretty weak on there part.  Also you think god hates hunters, maybe you should just quit talking and get off this forum.

A few observations.... I've been on the 'Net a very long time, and I realize that not everybody else has. This guy is what is called a "troll".... he is "trolling" for a reaction, and nothing you do can change his mind, because he doesn't care... he's just trying to stir folks up. So, remember, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. It's the only way to deal with them. ~Rick ps. ANIMALS are MACHINES for turning PLANTS into FOOD

SHUT UP!!!!!

haha I thought this was recent too but when I looked back its from 2005! I guess this peta person took off! good job =)

It's great that it just came back up. Look at Anna Nichole now. What a spokesperson. And, Rodman?

Time proves everything doesn't it. I eat deer, in fact I've got backstrap soaking in the fridge now, and I've outlived Anna Nichole already. According the Men In Black, Rodman isn't from planet Earth anyway.

Rodman WHO!!!  LOL

Good luck and happy hunting!

I wonder if that cat is still there.  I have some good recipes!

Good luck and happy hunting!

If there were no hunters (like there have been for thousands of years, and FAR fewer today)  these "poor, defenseless" animals would STARVE to death!

Do you understand that?

We're very well regulated, can't kill more than 1 or 2 deer, so we aren't slaughterers.

And you better not bring God into this.  If you've read the Bible at all, there's nothing that says anything bad about killing animals.  If you actually read it, you'd be disgusted by the carnage and meat eating that went on.

I'm assuming your "god" is GAIA?  

Also, remember that PETA actually stands for "People Eating Tasty Animals". I like it when people go biblical. It shows that they are at least thinking in the right direction. I know the bible because I read it often, and I pay attention to what I read. I believe in what's written and I believe there are no errors in the bible at all - that it was divinely inspired, and that while a man penned it, God lead him to do so. In the Old Testament God gave man dominion over all animals:

Genesis 1
26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Go ahead, argue with that. I dare you.

well said!!!

OK before I go into this you all know that I am an avid hunter, and a ravenous carnivore.  I in no way advocate anything the animal rights freaks say and fight them in any means possible to me.  But I also have a really bad habit of shooting holes in arguements for either side when I see them no matter what side I'm on. (ask Hardy we got into this once)  Also understand that I grew up in a preachers household and was a religion major when I first started college.  And keep in mind you dared someone to argue.

With that said, hunting is not mentioned in the bible until Gen 10:9  Wher Nimrod is called a "Mighty Hunter before the lord"  If you read the verses, of Gen 1:26-31. The verses you quoted support Vegitarianism more than they do meat eating.   "I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so" Many translations read "for food"  Both verses refer to the fruit and green herbs as the food for man and beast.  Yes he did give man dominion over the animals at this time but said nothing about them as food.  Esau the son of Isaac was referred to as a skillful hunter. Gen. 25:27.  Some use the Verse of Prov. 12:27 as a arguement against sport hunting, "The lazy man does not roast what he took in hunting."  I think that is a pretty thin arguement.  But there are many references to hunting all through the Old Testement.  The bible does not, in my opinion, condemn hunting in any form or fashion. 

Guns don't kill people....Its those pesky little bullets making lots of holes that all the blood leaks out of.

Not a problem Dana. You are correct. I agree with what you said, and also, you can ask Hardy - I like to aruge too.

Dominion means we have authority over, and responsibility for - so you are correct, that does not clearly state that we have permission to hunt, or to eat meat. It merely means we are authoritative over all animals, no matter where they are. And, after reading more, we did not have permission to eat meat until after the flood. God clearly states in:

Genesis 9

God's Covenant With Noah

    ¹ Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. ² The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. ³ Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

    ⁴ "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. ⁵ And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.

    ⁶ "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
       by man shall his blood be shed;
       for in the image of God
       has God made man.

    ⁷ As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it."

    ⁸ Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: ⁹ "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you ¹⁰ and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. ¹¹ I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."

I personally find verse 6 interesting too. That one ought to stir up some comments. But, there you have it folks, we are given permission to eat meat by God, the creator of all things. Dana, I didn't do a good job of proving my argument the first time. See if I've done better this time.

As for hunting, Nimrod is the first to be mentioned as a hunter in Genesis 10:9 which states that Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the Lord. This implies that he was blessed by the Lord to be a hunter.

Here's another interesting point: In Genesis 9:4 it states that we can't eat meat that still has it's lifeblood in it. That means to me that we can't eat an animal while it is still alive. We have to kill it first. Then we can eat it.

I should also add Dana, and William, that Saturday night found my 15 year old son and I with heaping plates full of chicken fried backstrap and mash patatoes, and English peas. That was preceeded by a nice salad, and accompanied by a big glass of milk. The boy ate most of it, but I got a full tummy too - and if you saw my tummy you'd see that's quite a chore. My boy just has hollow legs.

The backstrap was from a doe I popped with a 165 grain LeveRevolution from my Winchester 94 in a 30-30. I missed the silly thing with my bow, and then it went and found my arrow and started laughing at me. I said "laugh at this - boom." I should have been more grateful. It could have taken me hours to find that arrow had she not went and stood next to it.

Now that Kevin was a great solid arguement.  Like I said, there are many rrferences to hunting in the bible.  None of which condemn it.  Even Christs disciples were fishermen.  But I guess fish aren't included in the "God's animals"

Oh, and my daughter and I had venison tacos tonight.

Guns don't kill people....Its those pesky little bullets making lots of holes that all the blood leaks out of.

William, my boy is 15 and is 5'-11" and 165 pounds. He's in a bit of a growth spurt, so who knows where this will stop. He's a hunter, and certainly an eater. I would imagine that he'd eat misquite grilled skunk if it was done over an open fire in South Texas.

Gee Dana, no one is taking on the plite of the PETA people any more. As far as I am concerned, they're whipped!

Kevin, with no true ground to stand on the PETA people were whipped before they even got started.  They won't admit it and never will.  In their own twisted little reality you don't have to have facts to be right. 

Guns don't kill people....Its those pesky little bullets making lots of holes that all the blood leaks out of.

Alright, here's where I disagree with PETA: animal rights.

And here's where I disagree with animal-killers, especially haughty Texans: animal welfare.

We have the right to kill animals, especially for food. God told us so. So, sorry, PETA. God's word is more important than yours. But he also told us in Proverbs to have regard for their wellbeing, while they're still alive. This means no unnecessary suffering or pain, no beating or bludgeoning, no skinning alive, (leave that to the Godforesaken, atheistic country of China), no torturing of any kind. Any human who thinks it's wrong to kill animals is stupid, since God told us it's okay. Any 'Christian' who thinks it's okay to torture or aggravate animals is stupid, since God told us it's wrong.

Now I am someone who has nothing against hunting. In fact, as someone mentioned above, it can actually be beneficial. If I were a deer and I had the choice of being shot to death, or be eaten alive slowly by a wolf, or dying of starvation or disease or whatever...I would obviously choose being shot.  So while some people who aren't used to hunting may see it as 'sick'...it actually can be rather kind, if done swiftly and properly!

A real man, I believe, will do just what the bible says. Eat meat, thank the Lord for it, and have regard for the life of the animal you kill.

Gman, I understand you post those pictures of tortured animals just to piss off animal lovers. And it does anger me, as an animal lover. But as a Christian, I need to get rid of that anger, forgive, and pray that you will one day follow the compassion and stewardship that Jesus taught. God did call himself gentle and compassionate, did he not? We need to reflect him.

Animals suffer 100 times more and worse than humans on a daily basis, so we gotta give 'em a break sometimes. And we need to thank God for the meat they provide for us, and treat the animals as kindly as we can before they are killed...for they are sacrificing their lives for our benefit.

Come on, you guys. Put your 'hardcore American hunter' pride down. Think in Jesus' perspective right now. How can you disagree with this? Unless you are just seriously iniquitous at heart. Some 'christian hunters' who enjoy the suffering of animals seem to have forgotten the fact that animals are, you know, GOD'S creatures...and not disgraceful mutant spawns of satan that deserve to be brutally tortured and totally annihilated. They are God's beauty. And we can kill them, but we should also notice their beauty as God's creations. I realize when you grow up hunting and going to rodeos and whatnot...you automatically develop a kind of negative outlook on animals. The sense of 'oh yay i'm big human and they're small animal and i can hurt them and they can't do anything! bwahaha!'...but you need to get over that, and I will pray that you do.

Causing pain on animals and smiling about it in those pictures above is very, very sinful, and sick. It's not a Godly or Christian pleasure. It's a humanistic, sadistic pleasure. I sincerely hope those animals were killed quickly and then maimed or whatever. But I doubt it. Texans have seriously no regard for animal welfare whatsoever. It's very, very sad.

They are God's living creatures. They are not commodities. We do have the right to kill them for our benefit, and we do have dominion over them. But some people get a little too drunk with dominion, if ya ask me. We have dominion over our small children when we raise them. Prison guards have dominion over prisoners, etc. Dominion has never meant sadistically causing them pain. Ya kill the darn animal quick and proper, then enjoy a nice tasty meal, and that's the end of it. Don't torture the poor guy just to spite people like PETA either. Ignore PETA. Don't be angry at them. Forgive them for their ignorance, and only work on further reflecting Jesus' compassion. When you're about to hurt an animal for fun, think the famous old question- What would Jesus do? Would he kill an animal for food? Sure! He was a fisherman himself! Would he kill an animal just to cause it pain? ..... I already know the answer. And I think you do too, in your heart.

Type in 'Chinese fur farm video' on google. Maybe that'll change your perspective just a tad. Maybe.

Just let go of the hostility, and do the right thing.

God bless you all.

Here's another way to look at it.

A man has gotten the death sentence for a murder he committed. He has now, officially, lost his right to live. He now has as much right to live as a pig about to be slaughtered. In other words, he has no life rights. But would we torture him to death? Would we cause him unnecessary pain? No, we wouldn't. Not because of his 'rights', but because we know that physical pain is bad, so we want to refrain from causing it as much as possible. If a condemned man is burned alive, people will feel horrible. Not because he's killed. But because he was killed so torturously. It should be the same way with animals. No one cares if the animals are killed (at least no one sane)....but we do care if animals are torturously killed. It's just about the physical pain here. Nothing else.

I hope you guys will start making more loving decisions!

Brandon,

In looking at those photos, what gives you the impression that any of those animals were "tortorously killed"?  I don't think you need to come to a hunting and fishing website and preach to us about making ethical, clean kills.  There's not a sportsman alive that doesn't feel great sadness and anxiety if they happen to wound an animal.  Nobody wants that burden. 

As for the PETA freaks....y'all take the moral high ground, hire these celebs to be spokespersons for the ethical treatment of animals.  But did you ever look into their background and see how they treated their fellow man kind???  I doubt it.  How 'bout all the well documented drugs  Anna Nicole Smith and Dennis Rodman have consumed.  Smith is now dead from drug use. 

You now ask, what does an individual's use of drugs have to do with their fellow man kind???  I'll tell you....You know all those gang wars in LA, in cities across our country and along our Mexican border?  They're fighting over who gets the right to sell the dope.  They're killing each other and innocent people who get in the crossfire.  Ever hear about all the bombings and kidnappings in Columbia?  How about the coffee farmers that were run from the land and homes by the cocaine growers?  You can't smoke or snort anything that isn't stained with the blood of humans.  People are dying daily so that your spokespeople can have a good time on Saturday night.  Party it up, but please, after you stop drinking your bong water, open your eyes. 

I'm sorry that you're offended by our actions but God put animals on this Earth for people to use!  If there were no hunters, predation wouldn't be enough to stop the animal growth!  There would be overpopulation and animals would be diseased and sick.  I don't know about you but a bullet is sure as heck more humane than getting mauled alive by a coyote or a mountain lion.  And besides the fact that you live in Texas!  A huge part of our heritage is to hunt and fish!  Don't try and start anything with us because all of us hunters are a band of brothers.  Haven't you ever hear of  Game Laws!!!  People don't go out and slaughter animals.  They are regulated!  Texas is a hunting state!  If you don't like it, Get the Hell out of my State!

Gentlemen,

I submit to you that we either have a 14yr old prankster here or someone who has seen way too many Disney movies. 

The best response to this type of hysterical, non-logic based tripe is usually  no response at all.  You are not going to win this argument with logic and reason because this person is arguing with emotion and not logic or reason.  This type of person is better ignored.  The more you yell, the more they yell and they will never see your side no matter how many facts or Bible verses you quote.

Like water off of a Ducks back, let it go.

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Look the original post was from 2005.  We got rid of this guy a long time ago. I cannot believe you guys are falling for this again. Ignore and it goes away.

I work, So I can hunt.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! There will always be people like you out there. BTW, hogs, have killed people, and a Deer just recently got into a school and injered 3 children. These animal's ether have a great defence or a great offence! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Id love to see this persons face is they ever saw HOG DOGGIN!!!! LMAO!!!! go ahead animal luver, look it up on youtube. hog doggin. LOL, i use about 2 minutes a year to write one of these to yall, its tradition. go eat your tofu, and leave us be!

animal luver, You are the reason farmers kill millions of crop pest animals each year hogs, skunks, rabbits ect.   Eating vegtabels=killing animals.

So eat anouther bell pepper killer.

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Just wanted to let you know that hunters have another kinder, gentler side.  Look at the pictures of this cute little squirrel that was adoped by a family and their dogs.  Isn't it precious?

What the pictures don't say is that this squirrel also made a great batch of dumplings