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crossbows are fair game during archery season

woodscrazy

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get ready to share your bow season with some brand new crossbow owners!!!!

even though you can shoot 3" groups at 100 yds with a mounted scope !!!

that is not, I repeat not,  archery !!!  wish this stupid legislation was never passed!!

I know you other hardcore bowhunters agree!! 

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Matt Truitt
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Um yea, go head and mount a "scope" on a cross bow. Game warden would love you. The law states no "telescopic sights".

If you wanted to stand in against this bill, you oppourtunity was this past spring in the state legislature. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE made an appearence to object on this bill. I guess if it was something worth opposing people would have shown up.

Im in favor and will be hunting my own personal property with a cross bow this season and many to come as well as a bought and paid for lease. I do not hunt public land and wont be taking deer away from you.

By the way cross bows are older and therefore more primitive than compound bows. Yet they have been legal for a long time. Go figure.

Just my thoughts on the subject. Not trying to instigate.

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STXBowhunter

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IN MY OPINION HUNTING WITH A CROSS BOW IS LIKE PLAYING SOCCER THEY HAD TO MAKE A SPORT FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN’T PLAY REAL SPORTS. HUNT WITH A REAL BOW! Freedom of speech baby!

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mrbigtexan
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now, now, getting more people into the outdoors is not such a bad thing. it is just as diffucult to hunt with a crossbow as it is a compound. gripe all you want, but you need to try it out and keep an open mind. also, the way i read it, telescopic sights are legal.

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mrbigtexan
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also, i would like to see 3" groups at 100 yards from anyone.

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TxBowHunter31
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I don't care one way or the other you hunt with what you want to hunt with and i'll hunt with what I want to!!

My mathews works as good as your crossbow!

If you look at almost all public land they are still not allowing crossbows

Good luck and happy hunting!

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TxBowHunter31
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I'm sure traditional shooter think compounds are cheeting!!

Good luck and happy hunting!

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Bowfish
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Great Lakes Crossbow Co.

 

DURANGO

 

The reason for conducting these tests was to establish a basis for performance measurements between modern crossbows and other hunting weapons, most specifically, modern compound bows.  Given the movement to redefine crossbows as conventional archery tackle so as to allow their use during bowhunting-only seasons, it seemed appropriate to provide a means for comparison.  Of particular interest was the accuracy potential of a rested crossbow at extended ranges.  Crossbow manufacturers list velocity and pull weights, but I am not aware of any published accuracy expectations.

 

In early March 2005 I obtained a Great Lakes Crossbow Co.  Durango model crossbow in slightly used condition.  While it does not have as high peak weight (165 pounds) as many of the “high performance” crossbows that peak at 175 pounds to 200 pounds, it does have a 17-inch power stroke, and overall, it’s velocity and kinetic energy ratings compare favorably with other modern crossbows. 

 

This crossbow has an overall weight of 8 ¼ lbs., 34-inch length without the stirrup, and very heavy two-piece limbs with an axle-to-axle length of 27 ¼ inches.  It uses round cams, approximately 2 9/16 inches in diameter.  It comes fitted with a 4 power, parallax adjustable scope with hand adjustable windage and elevation turrets.  The trigger has a pull weight of over 7 pounds, with considerable creep and overtravel.  While the crossbow does have a crossbolt safety, it can’t be engaged until after the crossbow is cocked and it is in an awkward location to operate safely.  Five bolts were also provided.  They were fitted with 100 grain screw-in target points and 5” vanes at a slight straight offset.  The shafts are 2219 Easton aluminum, cut to 22 1/8 inches before inserts and had an average weight, with points, of 476 grains.

 

Although as the shooter, I have no previous experience shooting crossbows, I do have considerable experience in competitive rifle shooting. 

 

 

The first test took place indoors on March 10th.  A total of 4 bolts were shot before the cocking mechanism broke under pressure, causing minor damage and some trepidation on the part of the operator.  The crossbow was rested across a stool with all 4 shots taken at 22 yards.  The initial shot was used to adjust the sights and find a hard spot on the bales where the bolts wouldn’t pass completely through them, and then three shots were taken at the same point of aim.  The first was taken then pulled.  The second entered within ½ inch of the first bolt hole and then a third was shot, which hit right next to the second and almost exactly in the hole that the first was pulled from.  As mentioned, the cocking winch broke at that point, but a three shot group of under ¾ inches was a pretty impressive start.

 

After the winch was repaired I was back at the range on March 12th to shoot at longer distances.  The crossbow was shot from a shooting bench

 

with sandbags.  I had shimmed the back of the scope .050 because I anticipated that the scope would run out of elevation adjustment before it could be held dead-on at the longer ranges I hoped to shoot it at.  It turned out not to be necessary because even at 90 yards, the bolt sailed over the whole bale assembly.  It was recovered but was bent badly due to impact with a tree.  The shims came out.  After four shots at 40 and 60 yards to get “on” the bales I moved to 90 yards and impacted below my aiming point.  I then adjusted the scope to the bulls-eye and shot a four shot group with the four straight bolts I had remaining.  The aiming point was a scrap of white paper.  The first shot hit about 1 inch left of the paper, the second hit it, the third hit about 4 inches right and the final one, less than an inch right.  The final 90-yard group was a horizontal string less than 5 inches across.  Penetration was approximately 8 inches into frozen and practically new excelsior bales.

 

Even though these results surprised me, I felt this crossbow was actually capable of better accuracy.  Conditions were not good with variable winds to at least 10 mph.  Also, I wanted to straighten the bent bolt so I could shoot a 5 shot group.

 

In checking the bolts when I got home, I found that all but one were bent at least .005.  I don’t know if they came that way or it was the result of impact and/or removal from the frozen bales, but I straightened them the best I could.  Unfortunately, the bolt that hit the tree couldn’t be straightened sufficiently.

 

I returned to the range on March 25th.  Conditions were better with light winds, temperature in the low 40’s and clear skies.   With the aid of a laser rangefinder, I set my bench up (across the parking lot) exactly 100 yards from the farthest bale.  I used a rifle bipod instead of sandbags to rest the stock and had adjusted the scope in the rings to avoid canting. 

 

I took two shots to get me close to the bulls-eye, then put up a new target and shot the four almost-straight bolts.  The four shot group measured just slightly less than 4 inches across.  Because I prefer to shoot 5 shot groups for rifle testing, I pulled the bolts, returned to the bench and shot a fifth bolt.  It hit within the holes from the previous four shots, so the 5 shot group at 100 yards measured less than 4 inches across, with 4 of the 5 shots hitting within a 3-inch circle.           

                                                                                             

With straight carbon bolts and perhaps some fine tuning of equipment, I don’t doubt that this could be improved upon, however, this level of long range accuracy exceeded my wildest expectations - and concerns. 

 

I have never fired a crossbow before in my life.  And now within 20 shots can group 5 bolts into 4 inches at 100 yards with a borrowed crossbow.  I can say that I have owned some deer rifles in my life that haven’t grouped that well at 100 yards.  However, because of a much greater trajectory curve for the bolt and longer time of flight, the rifle would still be superior unless wind was light and the exact distance was known.  Which brings up an interesting point.  Ten years ago this very same crossbow wouldn’t have been nearly as effective as a long range weapon because range estimation at that time was far less precise.  However, with the development of technology completely unrelated to crossbows – laser rangefinders - this crossbow in conjunction with one becomes a bona fide 100-yard killing machine.  It would only be a matter of laser ranging the target, dialing the elevation to that exact

 

distance setting on a scope like the one that came with this crossbow, and then putting the crosshairs on the heart and pulling the trigger.  The whole process takes just a few seconds.  Pre-ranging distances and using a mil-dot scope would eliminate even that short time.

 

This is only one crossbow.  I don’t doubt statements by others that have shot crossbows, particularly older models, that say they are not accurate at longer distances.  However, this one is.  And if this and other newer models have this potential, then everyone that can hunt with one has essentially the same potential; because accuracy is almost completely a function of mechanical action with no significant skill required.

 

One consideration that I can’t comment on is potential variations in accuracy using broadheads.  I suspect, but can’t confirm until our sand bunkers thaw out, that given the substantially heavier projectile fired from a crossbow, especially with mechanical broadheads, projectile flight can be controlled.

 

I will leave it to those that read this to form their own opinions on the effect this type of weapon would have on a bow-only season, but there is no question that with widespread use, the effect would be significant, not only on the bow-only season itself, but also upon the harvest dynamics of all seasons for the species involved. 

 

    

Mike Brust,

Wausau, WI

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huntin-ninjr

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Cass county

CRYING

who has time to read all that crap bowfish? Shouldn't you be out practicing because I've seen your aarow groups.

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Bowfish
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SARCASM

yea  and you seen the deer on my wall!!!   and i dont shoot pet deer !! Group it only takes one arrow dont need a group !! LOL

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joshhern
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not that I'd plan on using a crossbow, but yes, it appears that telescopic sites ARE legal. 

 

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/annual/hunt/means/

 

Crossbow:

  • IMPORTANT NOTICE: Crossbows are lawful for any person during the Archery-Only Open Season in all counties EXCEPT Grayson County. In Grayson County, no person may use a crossbow to hunt deer during the Archery-Only Open Season (Oct. 3-Nov. 6) unless the person has an upper-limb disability and has in immediate possession a physician's statement that certifies the extent of the disability. An upper-limb disability is a permanent loss of the use of fingers, hand, or arm in a manner that renders the person incapable of using a longbow, compound bow, or recurved bow.
  • Any person, regardless of physical ability, may use a crossbow to hunt game animals or game birds in any county, including Grayson County, during a general open season or Eastern spring turkey season.
  • An archery stamp endorsement is required to hunt deer during the Archery-Only Open Season. An archery stamp endorsement is required to hunt deer at any time in Grayson County, including during the general open season (Nov. 7- Jan. 3)
  • A crossbow is lawful for game animals and game birds, provided:
    • the crossbow has a minimum pull of 125 pounds;
    • the crossbow has a mechanical safety; and
    • the crossbow stock is not less than 25 inches in length.
  • Telescopic sights are lawful

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wheelz99

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so much misinformation about the capabilities of the crossbow out there that it's not even funny.  i've been shooting and hunting with one for 15 years and i can tell you that the crossbow as a hunting weapon can in NO WAY out perform a compound bow.  anyone taking shots past 40 yds with a crossbow hasn't hunted very much with it.  the shorter, lighter bolts lose too much velocity at ranges past 40, and the loud thumping cbow alerts deer to the arrow's flight.

only idiots would attempt a 100 yd shot.  in fact, i know more idiots who take 100 yd shots with compound bows and never heard of anyone taking a 100 yarder with a cbow.

yes, it is more accurate for the novice shooter.  it doesn't make you a better hunter though.  you still have to get within 30-35 yards of a deer.

the cbow is a front heavy & awkward. i'd trade it in for a compound bow in a heartbeat if i could shoot one.  so please, i implore you to actually look for some real facts before you jump to conclusions based on "what you heard".  keep an open mind.

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Redbirds07

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This is our problem as hunters, while others fight to take our right to hunt away, we fight about what we think is right within legal hunting means.  The one thing that we can all agree on is that we love hunting and the outdoors, and in doing so, we should work together to protect our interests.  I don't have a crossbow, dont want one but I do understand that there WILL come a day when I can no longer draw my bow and on that day whether I opt for my rifle or a crossbow I will still be able to enjoy my passion legally and that is good peace of mind.  Just something to consider.  I also wonder, what is your opinion of rifle hunting?  I can definitly hit a one inch group from 100 yards so does taht mean if I use my rifle I'm not a true hunter?

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wyleecoyotetx

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SHAKE I couldn't have said it any better, Redbirds07. I also don't hunt with a crossbow, but I'm sure my day will also come as the years pass on. If the passing of this bill gets more people in the woods hunting then I'm definitely for it! In these trying times of our current liberal minded socialist-bound federal government, we, as avid hunters, need all the additional support we can muster. I'd vote to legalize the use of pea-shooters and slingshots as legal hunting methods....just as long as our ranks as hunters continues to grow instead of dwindle. I retired from the states wildlife services program, so I'm well aware of just how strong the 'Anti-' movement is in Texas. We need all the support we can muster by any means possible.

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