Well, the good thing is that hogs aren't even considered game animals, so you should be fine.

I am not a high fence guy either, but I do support the rights of land ownership. If I can buy it, I own it.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

It is a contrediction in terms for TPW to inforce hunting regulations on privitaly owned land on native game animals, then allow high fencers to restirict the normial movement of native game animals.  It is a crime.  They want to impose their rules, but dont want to protect your rights as a owner to have access to native animals. Typical liberal minded thinking.

As far as hogs go, well they dont care about high fence low fence any fence.  They will just go through it or under it.  Plus if you throw out some good soured corn next to the high fence they do a great job of tearing it up.

On rights of ownership well there also is respect and care for your neighbors. Which has been lost in this country unfortunately. You have the right to do what you want with your land, but not the right to disturb and impact your neighbors rights to access.

Example: If you own land you are not allowed to block or change the path of the natural flow of water in a creek bed or river on your property. How is this different then impeding the movement of native game animals?

All I can tell you is that I lived in the United Kingdom, and this "the land and wildlife belong to us all" movement has caused decimation of the rights of individual land ownership. Trespassing has become unenforceable, and squatters can move onto your land, set up house, and you are powerless to move them off.

Taxation on these same landowners has become so vicious, that most could not afford to keep land that had been in their family for CENTURIES, and forced them to sell off.

Again, I have never hunted high fence, and probably never will, but once you open the door to limit private land ownership, that slope gets damned slippery.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

Once again low fencing for your ranching needs is alright.  The ability to in force trespassing and so forth is a right mandated by not only by law but by force if need be. When you own land as close to the border with Mexico like me, you learn to understand this concept even more.

You as a landowner do have the right to do what you want on your land and I would be the last to say other, but YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISTURB AND IMPOSE YOUR RIGHTS ON YOUR NAIBORS IN ANYWAY!

Taxation and other issues is another issue that could be discussed forever.  As far as the British are concerned they have sold their rights down the tube anyway.  They have turned their country into a cluster with their liberal feel good policies.  Plus their own government is so liberal minded that they even recognize Muslim law in their own country.  Europe is a whore house filled with politically correct morons!

When and if this country gets that bad then paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson "a little revolution is good for a country now and again"

I am from Louisiana. We used to lease 500acres. The deer would never get past 2 1/2 years old cause the neighbors would shoot anything with horns. We tried to put out more corn and have nicer food plots, but that wouldn't stop a buck from crossing the line. If everyone would be management minded hunters, there would be no need for high fences. But that will never happen and I will support the landowners right to high fence. A ban on high fences would be a huge victory for the peta freaks and anti hunters. They will never stop until all hunting is banned. Us hunters need to stick together.

First thing is first.  I understand your argument about affecting your neighbors but at the same time that is often the first reason you would use a highfence.  More often than not, landowners put up the fences to protect all the hard work they have done on their place. Like Joey said, neighbors' interests aren't always aligned and young deer are killed all the time because they cross a fence onto a neighbors land who don't have the same management practices. 

Second of all, I guess you don't realize that a whitetail can clear a 8 ft. highfence if they want to.   So, as you said about hogs getting through if they really want, deer can do the same thing. 

We just went through all this with THE YANKEE and I dont think having that kinda attitude is good on here. You are intitled to your opinion but DO NOT BAD MOUTH PEOPLE just because you do not agree with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GIG EM AGGIES

You know all you high fence lovers who want to manage white tail still are missing the point.  If the state of Texas in all their wisdom allows me to shoot X number of deer then that is my right under law. If that does not go along with your management ideas then tough.  You still do not have the right to restrict the movement of native species that roamed free long before their was barb wire.  Plus you don't have the right to expect that I only shoot what you think is right. It is arogant of yourselves to to think just because you put out extra food or build this or that on YOUR LAND means that everybody around you has to beleave in your beliefs and practices.  It is your right to do these things if you want to, more power to you.  You own your land and do what you want to it.  As long as you are not telling me what to do with mine OR blocking the flow of native animals to MINE.

I no PETA freak or anything like that so keep your liberal drive bye media talking points to someone who may believe you. I don't shoot everything that walks up. (UNLESS IT IS WILD HOGS)  I believe in keeping the strong and preserving the young. All great ideas, but if you own your land and want to shoot whatever walks up and your within local game laws, this to is YOUR RIGHT!  And you, me, or anybody has no right to stop them in anyway. If they start shooting out of control then they will be breaking the law and that is the job of the ever present game warden to deal with.

Next don't talk down to me about the habits and ability's of white tail deer. Yes, they can clear a 8ft fence if they want to or are of good enough condition to do it.  I have also seen several white tail deer caught in fences both low and high.  I have also seen a few animals trying to survive after a bad jump with a fence.  Both are not pretty sights.  So then the argument then could be made of the dangers of high fence. Thanks for reminding me. 

sorry I am not politically correct enough for Aggie-fan. 

That's me and that's my beliefs, you are allowed to have yours and mine are mine. If you feel the need to ban me for speaking my mind then that will also be your own decision.

Your forum do what you need to do. I can respect that at least. But, understand you only ban the politicality incorrect not their beliefs.

I will still get up tomorrow God willing and the sun will shine God willing.

Politically correct or incorrect it doesnt matter You can have a good debate with out name calling. Your right you and I have differing opinions but im not calling you names just because I think your opinion is flawed. There is a lot better way of starting a good debate without name calling. In my opinion if you've worked hard and have the money you should be able to do what you want with your land within the law. Here in Texas you can lawfully put up a high fence and thats not going to change.

GIG EM AGGIES

You have your opinion I have mine. You have your rights and I have mine, and neither will ever meet this is for sure.  I respect that and will defend that.  Sorry I will not use the term dirt bag anymore in fear of disturbing the thinner skinned folks out there.  How about "soiled container" is that more correct.

It is always good to know where you stand with someone Aggie-fan.  Just means I will not be getting any Christmas cards from you this year I guess. 

Hook em horns

rwg15 I will agree with you and side with you, but I will not go as far as calling folks SOB's.  Thanks for the support and I agree once they get that food plot down and wearing that big buckle they become 8ft tall and bullet proof. LOL  It is that tear in my beer syndrome they suffer from.

You hit upon a true point though when you said they are on the road to being cows and sheep with high fencing.

Once again if you want to feed, build, plot, and so forth and you own the land more power to you. It is your right as a land owner.  Do not expect me to be a camp follower  just because you say so though.

Unfortunately Aggie-fan is correct it is legal to high fence and that will most likely not ever going to change.  Still it does not change my mind and I think your still a "soiled container" that is breaking the rules of nature.

Long live INDEPENTENT THINKING not ruled by liberal nonsense!

www.swinehuntersintexas.com

Well for the sake of a good debate here a few points i would like for ya'll to address.

1)Even if i do have a low fence that doesn't give you the right to come onto my land or anyones for that matter and shoot any deer just because they belong to the state. Right?

2) Do you think that every deer that crosses my land will always cross yours, and always cross in the same pattern?  So how are you restricting movement if its always different?

3)  What i i decide to come in or already own hundreds of thousand s of acres do i now restrict movement because you are not allowed to tresspass on my land(see number one)

4) What if i put up a high fence remove all the native deer or run them out before i finished the fence and purchase all of my own deer to put in and manage is this still affecting you?  I don't have any of you deer in my fence?

I have heard from several people that own high fences that they have deer that they have never seen except for on camera's and biologist told a friend of mine his place was big enough that if he did buy deer to put in for breeding that he may never see them again.  Dosent exactly sound like a petting zoo.

Just trying argue a few points from the other side.  looking foward to your rational answers, and not just that im a dirt bag with a high fence and a cowboy hat

Pooba, I did not call YOU a peta freak. I just meant that peta freaks would celebrate if high fence hunting were banned.

You said    "you own your land and want to shoot whatever walks up and your within local game laws, this to is YOUR RIGHT!  And you, me, or anybody has no right to stop them in anyway"

That goes both ways. It's your right to shoot anything within the law and its the landowner's right to put up a high fence. And that is the law, might as well accept it cause you ain't going to change it.

First of all I don't agree with high fence either because, as many of you said, it restricts their movement.  But, a man has a right to do with as he pleases with his land.  To start forcing an individual to do what the collective 'we' want to do with something that's his is socialist thinking pure and simple.  Pretty soon, whether its fast food or cell phones, the government will eventually tell you how run your lives down to the last detail, all in the name of what's 'good for the people'.  And I think just about everyone would admit that's already happening. 

And to correct something NYYankee/rwg15/Richard/Dick keeps returning to umptygillion times there is nothing wrong with supplemental feeding...period.  Just as he and I have gone round and around before man supplements a deer's natural food base in many ways, whether he wants to admit it or not.  He also seems to get a little confused with the idea of supplemental feeding versus taming deer by feeding.  They are different operations.  The one thing I would agree with him about is that if you supplement heavily (i.e. all year in a fixed position) then the area in which you supplement should be off limits.  I would except deer feeders (i.e. a feeder that throws several cups of corn twice a day or so during hunting season) because those feeders really add nothing substantive to a deer's overall nutrition. 

Let's hope NYYankee/rwg15/Richard/Dick that in your last comment you were not suggesting that you want to destroy an individual's property - that's a crime.  If I saw you doing something like that I'd turn you in to the nearest Game Warden as fast as I could dial the numbers.

Me and my hunting buddies where having this discussion just this weekend. Since the wildlife is owned by the State of Texas and the people I believe you should be able to high fence a property as long as you pay for the resources wild resources you are taking from the public since your high fence is now preventing wildlife from follow normal grazing paths.

Think of it like this, if I buy 1000 acres from a 5000 acre ranch and fence off the part I just bought that does not mean I own those cows. They still belong to the rancher I just stopped their normal grazing path by trapping them with a fence.

This really does not affect me where I hunt as I have a lake on 2 sides of me and high fence properties sounding me on 1 side with a small state park and and lake on the other. So I am almost blocked in on all sides.

There is something really bothersome about spouting conservative buzzwords on one hand, and embracing populist/socialist/liberal ideals on wildlife and land ownership on the other.

Something smells fishy to me on this whole sudden trend of "shocking/stir the pot" posts that have been popping up over the past couple weeks.

I don't buy it. It's all a bunch of BS, created for someone's own sense of importance or humor.

It has NOTHING to do with anyone's real sense of belief or character. Too many lies have been caught and pointed out for that to be the case.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

Wohalli get off the feed wagon would ya. Natural browse get it natural browse. Baiting is point source like right at the point where you can easily get a shot from the stand you set near your bait.  With natural browse ya at least have to have some knowledge to figure out their travel routes whether it be a corn field or an oak forest. Supplemental feeding, nice term whoever came up with that, is  the first step in the domestication process deer get conditioned to feeders, population density increases around the feeders, browse is reduced in the area and then bang they stop eating natural browse and become more dependent on people "deer farmers" to provide them the nutrition they need. It is also the initial step in the privatization or ownership mentality "I feed the deer spent lots a money to feed the deer those deer are mine aint nobody gonna shoot them deer but me or aint nobody can shoot a deer under 2 years old cause I wanna feed em till their five so I can put their fed head on my wall.

Whacker public ownership of wildlife is not a movement its the way it has been. No one has a right to capture wildlife and keep it for themselves.

Bobby,

I agree.  Something smells...bad.  Stories change, 'facts' don't check out, names change, all the while regurgitating the same old story line regardless of how he/they are refuted.  You wonder if this is a PETA plant or something similar.

I never expected that this debate would solve itself here on this forum.

I never expected anyone to agree with me

I never expected to change any one's mind

I never expected anything from anyone

I already know its is legal to high fence as I stated in a earlier reply.

I fully expect that I will feel this way on this issue till the day they plant my redneck rear end

I fully expect to do whatever I can to say what I want to say

If for some reason some soiled container puts a high fence next to me, that I will put soured corn along the total length of the fence and let mother nature do its work.

If the landowner with the fence has a problem with that then he can come talk to me about it and I will tell him to go well you know what I will tell them. Today is just as good as any day to die is my motto if your standing up for your rights.

I'm no PETA plant either, so just get off that tack.  Look at my website and if that is a PETA planted website your sadly mistaken.  Plus I am not a old hat member of this forum, but if you look I have been posting before this. 

www.swinehuntersintexas.com

NYYankee/rwg15/Richard/Dick,

So you're telling me that crops, clover fields, and orchards are natural browse and not sourced at a defined spot where you can't shoot?  Are you telling me you've never hunted around any of these in NY?  What's your definition of 'natural browse', anyway?  How about a hay meadow - is that natural?  Any irrigated land?  Is cleared land 'natural'?  How about a forest re-plant after selective cutting? 

There is no difference whether a deer is fed from a protein dispenser or from a garden.  They are both man-made, but that's why deer co-habitate well with man because they adapt to their surroundings.  If that is the basis for 'deer domestication' then most of this country's deer population is already domesticated.  I might agree with you that if someone does year-round feeding they shouldn't shoot the deer around the protein feeder (or whatever they choose to use).  Most folks I know don't. 

Pooba - I couldn't help but notice on your bio that you have a picture of what I am assuming is yourself sitting in a blind.  Isn't this one of the very things that you are arguing is wrong?

Pooba,

For the record, I wasn't talking about you concerning the PETA comment.  Have seen a number of your posts before.

While I might agree with you about high fence, and I certainly agree you have the right to freedom of speech, destroying someone else's property, or suggesting that someone destroy property, is still flat wrong.  You have no right to do that.

Too many new names, shift and evasion of positions, and deliberate baiting and contradiction.

BS ALERT.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

This PETA thing is really disturbing to say the least.  I am afraid RWG is right.  Somebody posts something that does not go with this forums click then they are put up as some sort of plant to discredit their views.  Pretty gutless if you ask me.

I am not a plant. To be a plant would mean that I am a group follower.  Anybody that knows me would never in a second beleave that.  I dont care who you are. If I dont agree with you I will tell you. To your face if you want, you will never hear me say anything about someone to somebody else. I would much rather say it to their face.

Duckwhacker are you claiming Im with PETA or what?  Call names and stand up to your statements to the people your talking to.

Yeah Im with PETA. It is a elborate plot to infiltrate your forum. First PETA bought me a ranch then sent me out to your forum to explode our views on your minions. LMAO

As far as other are concerned I can not answer for them, but I am not, and I resent your acusations that I am.  PROOF not conjecture is what is needed from you. Till then maybe your a plant from the NRA!

Wahalli your nuts stop defending the feeder heads. Yep farm fields not food plots those crops are planted by farmers not to feed deer but to feed people and livestock. The deer adapt to the crops as part of their natural food source. No real advantage to hunting a farm field cause they're massive. Deer deally don't turn to it till late winter when browse is limited so really not much of an advantage during hunting season specially after opening day. So these massive 1000 acre fields of corn and wheat are out there surrounded by woods where ya gonna put your ground blind. And your comparing that to ya put a feeder here and ya put your box there oh yeah don't forget the trail cam what jokes.

NYYankee/rwg15/Richard/Dick,

As far as the "old school hunter" comment is concerned, very little you've said along hunting lines has checked out.  Considering your current (and previous) behavior, you have a lot of socialist leanings, and those leanings reflect the way that New York is run these days (if that's really where you are from).  "Old School" hunters, at least where I came from up there, also knew that hunting rights should never trump the "rigid values" of consitutional rights.  Landowners have more of those rights down here - at least for now. 

Wohall if I put corn on my side of the fence that is no concern to you.  Like everybody's says High fenceing is legeal.  Well guess what putting corn on the inside of my fence is legeal and nothing you can say or do about that either.  Guess we have reached what is called a impass. If for some reason the wild life tears it up, guess you should have the wildlife arrested for vandalism.

Stop with your political accusations I'm a right wing conservative and feeding deer, shooting deer under feeders and high fencing disgust me and I am sure these practices are going to ruin our hunting heritage --they have already in texas.

Txturkeyhunter.  I think you have me confused with someone else.  I don't care about anything here in this post other than high fencing. I have stated in several of these posts that if you want to feed, and build and so forth that is your right on your land.  So to answer your question about blinds....YES I use a blind to hunt in. I have feeders out to attract game.

RWG opinions or his. I dont agree with all of them, but I would go as far as saying he has the right to have them, and he should not be labeled as some type of wacko just because he does not feel the same as others.

My momma used to tell me "if your going to ease drop then pay attention"

I'm  not calling anyone anything. I am just pointing out that there seems to be this sudden rash of pot stirring and baiting posts that are full of contradiction and shifting positions.

I don't know who is slinging what, but I smell a lot of BS coming from somewhere, and unfortunately, the historical posting patterns of your allies are very suspect to me.

Sorry, maybe your post is a coincidence, but it seems a bit too timely to me.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

Pooba, first off let me say, I think high fences are just wrong as far as Whitetail deer are concerned so I will agree with you on that. I also believe you have a right to your beliefs and you have a right to voice your opinions. With that said, there is no need for the pointed name calling. We can all agree that we won't always agree on every issue but there is no need to call anyone names of any sort, "politically correct" or otherwise. Hardy and I have disagree on many an issue but I have never called him names and he has never called me names. I respect his opinion and his right to it and he respects mine. It doesn't mean we agree, just that we will agree to disagree and move on. As far as the fence, if you purposely damage, or create a condition that could cause damage to your neighbors fence, you can go to jail for that. Not to mention be sued for the damages.

I won't even get into the feeding argument again. It's nothing but opinion plain and simple.

"Hate me if you want to, Love me if you can" Git-R-Done!

Timely or not I don't care duckwhacker.  My opinions are not generated from anybody or group other than my own.

As far as allies are concerned. I don't register them as either allies or enemies, just others with different opinions. I don't need any allies I am more than happy to take care of myself without any help.

NYYankee/rwg15/Richard/Dick,

Maybe up there near the big city of Rochester (if that's really where you're from) they had 1,000 acre farm fields.  Most fields I knew were a LOT smaller than that.  Anyway, it doesn't matter.  Doesn't take an Einstein to figure out what trails they are coming in, and it doesn't take an Einstein to glass a field.  You set-up and wait.  As far as these fields being used solely for feeding people, let's get real.  A number of the farmers I knew would purposely leave some of the fields partially harvested.  Calling crops 'natural' is a pretty weak argument on your part. 

Although I normally don't hunt around them I've got no problem with feeders.  All they are is an artificial food source - just like crops, orchards, and clover fields.  All attract deer.  My point is you may draw the line at one place and I at another.  In the final analysis both are legal and both are OK.  Your dogmatic belief in one being right over another is simply not justifiable.  Its a preference..so go hunt that way.  But, don't pass judgement on something based on reasoning that's tenuous at best.

Pooba,

Sorry, but I just call it like it is. You don't like high fence, but you are wrong to call names and besmirch the character of anyone for making money off their land. You may have nothing to do with it, and as I stated before, I am not a high fence advocate. I am a property rights advocate. I support the rights of anyone to do whatever they wish with their private property, as long as it is lawful.

I do believe that Yankee/rwgwhatever/dick higgins ARE the same person, and just out to harass and stir the pot. He/they have been caught in too many lies and contradictions to be anything else.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

Well for the sake of a good debate here a few points i would like for ya'll to address.

1)Even if i do have a low fence that doesn't give you the right to come onto my land or anyones for that matter and shoot any deer just because they belong to the state. Right?     (Correct)

2) Do you think that every deer that crosses my land will always cross yours, and always cross in the same pattern?  So how are you restricting movement if its always different? (NO first part, you are taking away native animals movement even though it might not be the same each time)

3)  What i i decide to come in or already own hundreds of thousand s of acres do i now restrict movement because you are not allowed to tresspass on my land(see number one) (no one should be allowed to tresspass on somebody elses land)

4) What if i put up a high fence remove all the native deer or run them out before i finished the fence and purchase all of my own deer to put in and manage is this still affecting you?  I don't have any of you deer in my fence? ( you would still be blocking the natural movements of the game from other places and force them to change their patterns or worse not allow them to move anywhere and die, because you blocked them from ranging)

I have heard from several people that own high fences that they have deer that they have never seen except for on camera's and biologist told a friend of mine his place was big enough that if he did buy deer to put in for breeding that he may never see them again.  Dosent exactly sound like a petting zoo.

Just trying argue a few points from the other side.  looking foward to your rational answers, and not just that im a dirt bag (not correct dirt container is the phrase) with a high fence and a cowboy hat

Pooba,

As far as the corn discussion you have no right to destroy someone else's property.  You said yourself said "I will put soured corn along the total length of the fence and let mother nature do its work".  My point is, in the context of what you have said on this thread, your comments show you intend for the fence to be damaged.  If I saw you doing this to someone else's fence I would turn you in, especially with what I have seen you write on your threads.  My guess is that the Game Warden or other peace officer would have you replace the fence.  If that didn't happen, my guess that the high fence landowner, if he knew what you had written or said, would take you to court over your actions.  My guess in that case is that he'd have a real good chance at getting you to pay up.  And, he'd be right.

My land and I will put corn were I want. Period end of story.

And the land owner would be more than welcome to call me to the couch as you put it.  There is no law against putting out corn just as there is no law against high fencing.  Sorry if that hurts your feelings but to bad. I am not destroying anything, the animals are.  Guess thats the chance you take when you spend the money.

Just so you know, I have a friend in Val Verde county that did just that and he was called out by the other land owner. He complained to the game warden and the game warden told him there was nothing he could do about putting corn out.   The funny thing is the game warden talked to the dastardly corn thrower and laughed about it.

I understand why people put up high fences trust me. About 5 years ago we tagged 4 male fawns. As of last year we are down only seeing 1 of the 5 so that would mean the deer have either moved on or died of natural causes. I can say that when the high fence north of us went up we saw a drop in traffic from nort to south (open scrub to thicker cover towards lake) so the "natural movement" of the animals was changed.

My only point is that I could easliy put up a high fence and charge high dollar to animals that belong to every person in Texas. Some form of  compensation should be paid to TPWD for enclosing natural resources that belong to everyone.

PS - I am not PETA, a quack, yankee, leftist pinko commie,  just a native Texan that found this board last night and thought I could learn and share some knowledge with fellow hunters.

So you can put corn where you want, but he can't put a fence (unless it meets your standards) where he wants?

You can't have property rights both ways, and that is my point. Again, that slope gets slippery fast when you try to dictate property rights.

It is a shame that people high fence, but as long as it is legal, I will support the rights of landowners first.

The same with hunting. I may not like all forms of hunting, but I support your right to hunt (as long as it is a legal means of hunting).

When people start to cherry pick what is and is not legal/ethical, according to their own personal likes and dislikes, they open the door for the banishment of it all.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

All right trust. I will trust you...for now. Sorry if I offended.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

Pooba,

Again, my point is that you put an intent in writing.  Most folks wouldn't pop-off that they wanted to destroy someone's high fence using the method you've stated, like your friend in Val Verde Co. they'd just quietly go and do it.  That lack of evidence would surely diminish the high fence landowner's cause.  I agree there's nothing the Game Warden could do in your friend's case...but in a civil case when you have witnesses that can validate that you wanted to destroy someone else's property?  I think that's another story.

Just so you know I don't own land and I certainly wouldn't high fence it if I did.  Nevertheless I'd still turn you in.

Lee,

My PETA comment wasn't aimed at you either.  Sorry for the confusion.

this is stupid.

I will put it in writing, I will tell it to there face.  Let the lawyers arrive in court and let them get rich.

And yes, this is stupid to say the least.

Let it written let it be said.  I am done with this thread. If you want to see more about how I feel you are welcome to come by my website where I will be flaming all the high fence soiled containers.

www.swinehuntersintexas.com

You know, it's been getting downright unpleasant around here lately....I'm tired of trolls. See you all later, maybe the trolls will be gone.

Nice to meet you Lee....welcome. Don't judge everyone by this thread, please. :)

"Let it written let it be said.  I am done with this thread"

That is the most positive thing he has said yet.

havent been here in a while,see some things have changed

Shane, just a 'troll' on the loose having fun stirring things up....hopefully he will be gone soon! Otherwise, the usual good stuff on the site!

It's real simple. This guy won't quit so here is a fix for the problem. All his neighboring land owner needs to do is put his high fence 50 yards inside his property line and then make sure he posts his no tresspassing signs and marks the property boundary. Then if this guy tries to put corn next to the fence he can have him arrested for tresspassing.

"Hate me if you want to, Love me if you can" Git-R-Done!

Look guys here is the deal on this thread.  Let me make simple and quick for you to understand and deal with.

Your not going to change my mind and believe your not going to change mine.  I understand your rights to say what you want and your opinions are your right.  I respect that and support that.

However with all said and done. I have realized that this is a click based forum.  If you express tones that you do not like you are attacked and called everything from a TROLL to a PETA plant without proof or justice.  Once again this is your right and you are well within your rights.  Just for the record though.  Calling someone a dirt bag is wrong, but calling them TROLLS and PETA PLANTS is OK.  One word for that HYPRCRITE!

I have always know that being politically correct for the masses is not my cup of tee.  After retiring from running a drywall company for 30 years. I have had enough of Corporate kiss butts on one side, whining employees on another, low life home builders beating me down using illegal personnel to fill the ranks, and the government in the middle taking the rest.

Say what you need to, make your opionions about me.  Do what makes you happy.  I will deal with it and also respect you more for doing it.  But understand when there are no Christmass Cards in the mail from you guys, I wont lose any sleep over it.  Also after being married 4 times you would have to come up some really good stuff to say about me, please impress me.

As far as my land is concerned if it is threatened, I will meet it with the fervor of a wounded bear.  No matter the outcome, win, lose, or draw.  Would not be the first time I have had my butt kicked and will not be the last.

So I am withdrawing from your forum and you will no longer have to deal with the PETA TROLL anymore.  This is why I have my own insignificant website where my views can be expressed without condenation from hyprocrites who only want to hear their side of the story.  There will be some long and in depth comments made about your forum and its members to be sure.  You can come by and see what I say if you dare.  Hell I will even let you comment and say what you want.

www.swinehuntersintexas.com

Good bye, good luck, and God bless, see ya in the funny papers!

I will input my 2 cents here.  It is unfortunate that this forum is turning in to what it has.  I have considered this website to be one of, if not the best for education, expression, and very good debatable items such as this one or the others, and there are plenty.  I personally have not problem with high fencing as long as it is larger tracts vs. the smaller tracts (i.e. 50, 100, 300 acres etc.).  I personally manage one af many places that is 10k acres and it is high fenced on 3 sides.  The reason it was high fenced on 3 sides is to protect again poaching neighbors and a discouragement from have the neighbors hunting our fence lines.  I am also am involved with two other places both being in excess of 15k acres that are not high fenced.  Let's face it, proper game and land management is hard work and expensive no matter how big or small your place may be and a land owner has the right to protect it at his expense.  I see both sides and agree with points of both sides.  It is unfortunate that Pooba feels the way he does and is leaving this site.  THF has always had a good name and we a members have a right to protect that.  POOBA is definetly not a PETA TROLL.  If you look at his web site there are plenty of photo's of him harvesting his animals on his place.  I feel that the recent addition of the Yankee, Dick Higgins or what every his name is; along with his personal attacks and side view of things has gotten a lot of folks stirred up (me included) and on the defensive.  It's time now for everyone to take a deep breath and get back to the basics of what THF is all about.  It is just my two cents and may not be worth much to many but I am getting tired of logging on here to read all of this uneducational chaos.  It's very simple; if you don't agree, you don't have to comment.

Gee, what a swell guy! He thinks it's all about him, but I wasn't calling Pooba a troll....the troll knows who he is.

Dean - well said.

I speak for myself here, but I REALLY don't want anyone to leave (unless you are an uneducated person who doesn't like to hunt and fish) :).  You will NEVER find a forum where everyone agrees on something (and if you do, leave quickly because it's probably a cult) and that's why I love this forum.

I love that we have passionate members on the site who live to debate points and share their wisdom and knowledge. I really hope that because there have been 2 threads in the forum that have "rubbed people the wrong way" lately, it doesn't mean anyone is going to leave and give up the right to share their opinion here. How unfortunate...for everyone!

Thank you to those who have been here for awhile, whether you just like to read the threads or you participate in the discussions, that's why we exist...to educate the young, challenge the old, and engage the new. And we will continue to do so.

Man did you see the pics on pooba's website kinda scary bout as red on the neck as ya can get whew won't be goin around dem dare parts for any niblets.

Diana,

I think the issue here is how these threads are started.  When the tone is set by the creator of the thread with insults, anger, ire, extreme emotion it comes off as being angry and irrational.  It's a rant rather than someone seeking to learn different views or opinions.  Pooba titled this thread "High Fence Trash".  He spewed his opinions and did some name calling and generalized everyone that high fences or agrees with it.  Yankee did the same thing.  He demeaned, name called and ridiculed everyone that had an opposing view.  Folks like that cannot be reasoned with nor should we try.  In my experience we should allow them to have their tantrum without reacting or responding and eventually they will either go away or they will quit seeking to antagonize. 

If you wish to rationally debate an issue with an open mind I'm all for even if we don't agree.  But start the postings with flames and antagonism is uncalled for and counterproductive.  Just my two cents. 

http://www.swinehuntersintexas.com/comentary.htm

Let it written let it be said.  I am done with this thread.

For someone that is done, you sure keep coming back an awful lot.

Your momma likes to hunt.

I found this website last year and joined it. I had never done that before but I really liked this site. I even posted a few pictures on here last season. But in the past few months, this site has really gotten off track. We have one guy saying he's not afraid to  shoot people and calling people trash, another who just adds comments to try to get people mad. People putting pics and comments on here just to get points. I dont get on here as much because of forums like this. Lets stick to what this site was like before all the crap. Anyone can talk tough on here, because you know noone will ever meet you. Save that hero talk for the online chatrooms.

Mike C.

  I think you have hit the nail on the head. I have to deal with way too much drama at WORK (and you know exactly what I'm talking about). I come here and relax, enjoy stories, and pictures.

  Guys and gals please don't take the bait next time.

"It takes 32 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, but only 3 for a proper trigger pull."

Ok.. if the deer belong to the state and I have to take down my high fence... I will be charging them an annual lease for having their animals on my property and eating my plants...

None of the law makes sense... and no one that has any sense wants to fight it out.

Edit: You have 7 feeders on 60 acres on your ranch... No wonder you are against High Fences.  If I was your neighbor... I would fence you.

Encinal, So you think you own the deer cause ya feed em. Please stop feeding my deer then.

Richard Head,

I tried to stop feeding your deer by putting up a high fence.  I am protecting my BRUSH and my property from the state's deer consuming and destroying it.

The deer I do have in there I have no choice but to tolerate, but at least I don't have to deal wtih the population outside.

:)

The reality is you have illegally captured my deer - now you want me to pay an outrageous sum of money for the right to shoot my own deer that you fed inside your fence, let my deer go so I can shoot them for free.

Nothing illegal about it... Illegal means against the law.

You have fun trying to change it.

I dont think its fair to call anyone who high fences trash.  Its one thing to have an opinion, but its another to make a general insult to people you do not know and do not know you.  You hate high fences.  Good for you.  You could have just stated that fact without insulting people. 

Did you mean to start a s***storm?  Were you trying to upset people? 

 Are you a wildlife biologist?  How do you know it upsets their natural movement?

It looks like you have your own property.  How would you feel if someone just randomly came out and publicly called you trash after all the hard work you have done on your place that you are extremely proud of?  What if they insluted you because you did what YOU the LANDOwner thought was right?

By the way, not everyone who high fences their place is not in it for the money ok?  As the Cochina ranch foreman once said, " I high fence to keep bad people out, not keep deer in"

Richard,

The state can say it owns the deer because well... it's the state... but posession is 9/10 of the law.  The fact that the state owns wildlife gives them the ability to regulate seasons, harvests etc.  The simple fact remains that in our state, unlike so many others with VAST holdings of public property, if the state wants to be able to manage THEIR deer then they are going to have to have a VERY strong relationship with the landowner.  Landowners and TP&W do have this relationship, and that may seem strange to you since you arent from here.

TPWD itself has a high fenced ranch that happens to be one of the most popular public hunting destinations in the state. (the Chap)

You say you accept 4 strand barbed wire, because of cattle.  What about root plowing or using a chain or clearcutting?  All of those practices by a neighbor would change the movement of wildlife.  Should those be made illegal too?

In the end... how high is TOO high... what is the relationship between fence height and fair chase?

Does it look like this?

The arguments are just beyond rediculous...

Well pooba, is that your IQ you are flashing in the picture. Sounds like you feed like hell but dont like high fences...kind of a hypocrite. Where I come from you stand together with your hunting brothers or we all lose our right.