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Pup's first hunt test

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Well, last weekend I took Arrow to run in a hunting test put on by NAVHDA's Lone Star Chapter.  Took place near Taylor, TX, at the Spanish Oak Hunt Club, and although I attended one of the chapter's training days last fall, it was my first test event.  Part of my agreement with Arrow's breeder was to run him in the first level test, called Natural Ability, which must be done before a pup reaches 16 months old.

The Natural Ability test has three main parts: field work, water work, and tracking.  There are about eight areas of evaluation by a three judge panel, and in each category a pup can receive a score from zero to four.  There is no dog vs dog competition; rather, each pup can earn a "prize" if it scores well enough.  Prizes are categorized as Prize I, Prize II, and Prize III.  Failure to score enough points overall or high enough in a certain category can result in a "No Prize."

Arrow scored well enough to earn Prize III (87 total points out of a possible 112) and was just one point in one category from being a Prize II.  I was very pleased with this result, given that Arrow is still a little under nine months old (youngest of the ten dogs testing that day) and that I am a novice trainer/handler.  Moreover, the tracking and water work are the areas that give pups the most trouble, and Arrow got perfect scores in each.  His immaturity and his lack of enough wild quail this hunting season earned him a little less than perfect scores in field work, and a little problem or two during our field work resulted in a penalty that dropped us from Prize II to Prize III. 

Anyway, I just want to encourage those who are considering training their own gun dog to give it a try.  Sure, I am making mistakes, and Arrow will likely never reach his full potential without some professional training along the way.  But most of the dogs testing were also being trained by novice owners and most did well.  It was a good experience and it was encouraging to have independent judges evaluate your dog and determine that he is coming along nicely.  I forgot my camera on test day but was told I could get some pics from other attendees -- if I do, I will try to post them.

 

"Life's too short to hunt with a beardless dog . . ."

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Good for you. Lots of good things come out of training your own dog.

Keep yer eyes peeled!

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Good job. I have a lot of respect for folks who train their own animals, I'm sure you've gained additional respect and loyalty from your dog also. Not to mention the bonding.

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Congrats he will start learning more as you go

Bobby D

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Thanks, fellas.  I would be interested to know your experiences training your dogs and what mistakes you made or what successes you had.

Arrow and I are beginning the force fetch training and so far I am pleased.  You see so much negative about FF training but there are good resources out there if you look.  Granted we are far from finished, but so far FF is not as bad as I expected it to be and I have been encouraged by talking to a few other owners that have FF'd their own dogs successfully (and without great trauma).

 

"Life's too short to hunt with a beardless dog . . ."

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I'll go ahead and mention one mistake I wish I had not made with Arrow -- were I to start over again, I would not use quail, especially pen raised quail, until he were much older and already steadied on wild quail.  I would use pigeons as much as possible and if I had to use some pen raised birds, I would go with hen pheasants perhaps. 

Quail are small and too easy for the pup to try to eat.  Pen raised quail, in my limited experience, are terrible fliers for the most part (even if raised in lengthy flight pens).  Some will flush and fly strong, but far too many don't flush at all and when they do they fly slowly for just short distances.

Pigeons are strong fliers and are more than a mouthful for pups.  Arrow was introduced to some quail at just about 13 weeks of age and he caught two out of the three.  He points wild quail now, but we still need to work on steadiness.  When it comes to pen-raised, however, he seems to know the difference and he tries to catch them (often succeeds).  So for us, it is no more pen raised quail for quite some time.  We'll stick to pigeons for now until I see some real improvements in his steadiness (and see how well our FF training goes).

"Life's too short to hunt with a beardless dog . . ."

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Quick update:

The FF training has been progressing nicely.  Went to dead birds (frozen then thawed) and finally to using a live bird last weekend.  Pleased to report that Arrow did about 8 retrieves on a live bird without killing, chomping, or puncturing it.  He continues to mature and settle down, and he is becoming more and more responsive to training.  Not where I want him to be yet, but huge steps in the right direction . . .

 

"Life's too short to hunt with a beardless dog . . ."

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Sounds like Arrow is training you nicely!

Matt, good job.

"A country boy will survive"

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I know this is old, but I was at the same test.  I am guessing you were there on Saturday?  I was there on Sunday with my Brittany Deuce. 

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Yes, I was there only on Saturday. Just looked at Duece's score in the Versatile Hunting Dog magazine -- congrats on a perfect day! I am continuing to work with Arrow and he has now had several days of retrieving live birds without damage and without hesitating on the give. Not sure how well or how quickly that will transfer to field work (seems there is always a little bump in that transition) but we are making more and more progress.

"Life's too short to hunt with a beardless dog . . ."

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Thanks,  It is all Deuce and not his trainer/handler I can tell you that!

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I know what you mean . . . these well bred versatiles really do train themselves as long as you provide the exposure and a little obedience work. 

Here is a pic of Arrow from the other day when I had him working on a live pigeon again -- so far no problems with him crunching any more birds since I took him through FF training.

 

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Same bird -- not nearly as fun for the pigeon as it is for the dog!

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Great pics Matt...Looks like Arrow is kicking tail. 

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good job you two, nice pictures

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congratulation can you tell me if these hunt test are open to spaniels and if so when and where is the next event or meeting thank-you

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